News Reedy Creek Improvement District and the Central Florida Tourism Oversight District

[Sirwalterraleigh]

This whole thread cracks me up.
Disney got corporate welfare from Florida decades ago. I thought most were against that. I don’t care about the manner in which the revoking of that was initiated, but, Disney (a corporation) now has to “Pay its fair share”, as the current administration is so “bent” on repeating. Creepy whisper it to us again, Brandon.
Wow, what a travesty…

Hey genius…

The money generated by Disney has paid for about half of modern Florida

…Lockheed gets corporate welfare…and J.P. Morgan…

Try to keep up

 

[donsullivan]

I would agree with allowing the state and both counties to appoint members to the Board. However, I would also want to see some type of qualifications in the statute for members appointed by state and local government to the Board. Civil engineers, biologists, land use attorney, etc. People who have the expertise to make real contributions.

Yeah, you can put some guardrails around the skills appropriate for the role which I know the local counties would not have a problem with.

 

[Fido Chuckwagon]

For some reason I don't think Ron is going to listen to what McCarthy has to say.

Ron better find an exit ramp because he has bitten off way more than he can chew. We all like to make fun of Disney, but Disney is a Fortune 500 corporation that is also the most powerful media empire in the world. He is way out of his league.

 

[GrumpyFan]

I would agree with allowing the state and both counties to appoint members to the Board. However, I would also want to see some type of qualifications in the statute for members appointed by state and local government to the Board. Civil engineers, biologists, land use attorney, etc. People who have the expertise to make real contributions.

I think something like this would have been a nice balance to both the previous RCID board that favored Disney's interests almost entirely and the newly appointed CFTOD that seems to be interested only in doing the will of the governor, which is to punish Disney.
Also, those proposals (yours, plus @donsullivan's) would actually make them more representative of the name given to them.

 

[GrumpyFan]

Read all 77 pages of the lawsuit today,

it’s more than than that, it’s the bubble it’s the whole aesthetic

Indeed, they have their own weather machine that rains for them and the state.

 

[Stripes]

I really hope someone goes the meeting on Monday to give the board a piece of their mind.

It’d be a waste of time, but a bright spot in all of our days.

 

[Disney Analyst]

I really hope someone goes the meeting on Monday to give the board a piece of their mind.

It’d be a waste of time, but a bright spot in all of our days.

Someone on this forum was saying they would, and I hope they do and we all watch - hah!

 

[castlecake2.0]

Someone on this forum was saying they would, and I hope they do and we all watch - hah!

I spoke out at the meeting on the 19th, obviously they didn’t give a

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

I would agree with allowing the state and both counties to appoint members to the Board. However, I would also want to see some type of qualifications in the statute for members appointed by state and local government to the Board. Civil engineers, biologists, land use attorney, etc. People who have the expertise to make real contributions.

They already proved the level of dysfunction on the state level and that can’t be denied.

If I were Disney…I’d push for nothing less than status quo prior.

Why shouldn’t they?

 

[Stripes]

I spoke out at the meeting on the 19th, obviously they didn’t give a

I saw you. I appreciated you saying something!

 

[lazyboy97o]

Not sure if this has been shared yet. I’d recommend reading the accompanying article.

The only question this makes me consider, is how much of an issue can you have regarding notice if most of a jurisdictions voting residents are present? I understand there’s supposed to be a set procedure, but is there really an issue when most of the voters are all present?

Even if the cities did not act properly and were not properly consulted, I still don’t see how that gives the District standing. They’re the allegedly aggrieved party but they also no longer have the power to disagree with the District. Barking up this tree just seems like it would threaten the District’s superior authority.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

I spoke out at the meeting on the 19th, obviously they didn’t give a

…where’s the link so we can get a look atcha?

 

[RamblinWreck]

So what is Disney’s benefit here with RCID?

It’s been said by some on here they don’t get a financial break, and may even pay more in taxes.

Many of those same people have also said they don’t get an unusual break in terms of various approvals.

Yet their actions - the development agreement, restrictive covenant, lawsuit - suggests they really wanted to keep the status quo above and beyond the principle of defending themselves.

So what benefits did Disney enjoy through this arrangement?

I don’t think this is accurate.

Their options at present aren’t “status quo” (Aka too much autonomy in many peoples opinions) vs “be treated like everyone else”

It’s “status quo” vs “be under the thumb of one man who can run your local government that essentially only effects you, and doesn’t have to worry about being held accountable for it”

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

So what is Disney’s benefit here with RCID?

It’s been said by some on here they don’t get a financial break, and may even pay more in taxes.

Many of those same people have also said they don’t get an unusual break in terms of various approvals.

Yet their actions - the development agreement, restrictive covenant, lawsuit - suggests they really wanted to keep the status quo above and beyond the principle of defending themselves.

So what benefits did Disney enjoy through this arrangement?

Just my opinion…

The Benefit here is the control of development…whether they develop or not.

Wdw is the single unit/component of the entire Disney portfolio that holds the most value. Not even close either.

They trade on that…they can’t sling stock as effectively if they don’t have rights to the front lawn.

 

[GrumpyFan]

This whole ordeal has been of huge interest to me. Years ago I read with great interest Chad Denver Emerson’s Project Future which details much of what went in to buying the property, forming Reedy Creek and building WDW. I’m not an expert on the subject, but I have read a good bit about it. So it really bothers me when people pop in with their snide comments about Disney and RCID and how it’s “unfair”. This thread, plus Twitter have consumed way more of my time and mind on the subject and I probably should take a break, but the hits just keep coming making it hard for me to walk away.
Anyone else? Lol!

 

[LAKid53]

Indeed, they have their own weather machine that rains for them and the state.

I'd like to know where that was on Tuesday....

 

[LAKid53]

This whole ordeal has been of huge interest to me. Years ago I read with great interest Chad Denver Emerson’s Project Future which details much of what went in to buying the property, forming Reedy Creek and building WDW. I’m not an expert on the subject, but I have read a good bit about it. So it really bothers me when people pop in with their snide comments about Disney and RCID and how it’s “unfair”. This thread, plus Twitter have consumed way more of my time and mind on the subject and I probably should take a break, but the hits just keep coming making it hard for me to walk away.
Anyone else? Lol!

I find the legal analysis members, especially @Chi84, are providing helpful and illuminating.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

This whole ordeal has been of huge interest to me. Years ago I read with great interest Chad Denver Emerson’s Project Future which details much of what went in to buying the property, forming Reedy Creek and building WDW. I’m not an expert on the subject, but I have read a good bit about it. So it really bothers me when people pop in with their snide comments about Disney and RCID and how it’s “unfair”. This thread, plus Twitter have consumed way more of my time and mind on the subject and I probably should take a break, but the hits just keep coming making it hard for me to walk away.
Anyone else? Lol!

Project future is top 3 Disney books Alltime for me…

It’s “required reading” in my class

Have you read married to the mouse?

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

I find the legal analysis members, especially @Chi84, are providing helpful and illuminating.

I hate to give you both credit…
…but I feel compelled to buy you drinks on this thread

 

[Chi84]

I find the legal analysis members, especially @Chi84, are providing helpful and illuminating.

If @GoofGoof is not a lawyer, he should be