News Reedy Creek Improvement District and the Central Florida Tourism Oversight District

[mkt]

And that's bad?

Strictly observational

 

[GoofGoof]

This was from 4/21 (pre-lawsuit). The reason I am posting this, despite his multiple mischaracterizations of the situation, is to share DeSantis' philosophy. Many have rightfully pointed out that his actions do not comport with traditional ideological conservatism. This is his response to that.

That‘s some crazy spin. He fails to realize there’s a difference between “not deferring” to a corporation and attacking the corporation in an attempt to cause economic damage. Nobody is saying he had to defer to Disney and reverse course on the bill he supported. Reversing course would have been deferring. Threatening tolls and taxes and prisons built to damage the company’s bottom line and business in the state isn’t “not deferring” it goes far beyond that.

 

[mikejs78]

This speech was from 4/21 (pre-lawsuit). The reason I am posting this, despite his multiple mischaracterizations of the situation, is to share DeSantis' philosophy. Many have rightfully pointed out that his actions do not comport with traditional ideological conservatism. This is his response to that.

His philosophy has been to shut down corporations that he doesn't agree wtih. He can call it what he wants, but it's not ideologically conservative in the traditional sense.

 

[BuzzedPotatoHead89]

This was from 4/21 (pre-lawsuit), and aside from the multiple mischaracterizations of the situation, the reason I am posting this is to share DeSantis' philosophy. Many have rightfully pointed out that his actions do not comport with traditional ideological conservatism. This is his response to that.

Corporatism would be farming out what would be the traditional role of government to corporations. You could argue the original 1967 RCID was corporatism but you could also argue the central Florida area was so under developed that this was borne out of necessity.

By over correcting and creating a different standard for Disney in terms of ride inspections, tax penalties, etc. that would not apply to other large theme parks that to is a form of corporatism. Retaining special tax status for other districts is also a form of corporate welfare. The contractors of the Villages are also beneficiaries of a form of corporatism so why cherry pick Disney?

True “conservatism” would be setting a standard set of rules across the board, eliminating all special districts statewide and transferring debt obligations to localities and/or the state general fund and its taxpayers and treating all state employers equally regardless of if/how they chose to exercise their first amendment rights.

 

[MagicHappens1971]

DeSantis was likely hoping the news cycle would be all over his successful legislative session launching into formally declaring his candidacy.

Now if you Google “DeSantis”, 100% of the results are about Disney suing him.

That has to be steaming him up.

Yeah, this is the current trending articles. I'm assuming one of those bottom two are about his campaign, but I haven't clicked on them.

 

[GoofGoof]

DeSantis was likely hoping the news cycle would be all over his successful legislative session launching into formally declaring his candidacy.

Now if you Google “DeSantis”, 100% of the results are about Disney suing him.

That has to be steaming him up.

Yeah, he was definitely hoping to get positive play out of his “world tour” too.

 

[MagicHappens1971]

Corporatism would be farming out what would be the traditional role of government to corporations. You could argue the original 1967 RCID was corporatism but you could also argue the central Florida area was so under developed that this was borne out of necessity.

RCID was borne out of necessity. It's something so many have neglected to mention or pretend to be ignorant of. It remained in place as it was mutually beneficial to the state, Disney, and Orange and Osceola counties.

 

[Tom Morrow]

Stick that lawsuit into that snake!

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

This speech was from 4/21 (pre-lawsuit). The reason I am posting this, despite his multiple mischaracterizations of the situation, is to share DeSantis' philosophy. Many have rightfully pointed out that his actions do not comport with traditional ideological conservatism. This is his response to that.

You’re submitting what politicians say as “evidence”?

…well that’s….an “idea”…for sure

 

[Brian]

You’re submitting what politicians say as “evidence”?

…well that’s….an “idea”…for sure

Not at all. Posting a clip from a politician or sharing an article doesn't necessarily mean the poster agrees with the content.

 

[esskay]

It will probably cost Disney millions in lost revenue due boycotting company wide.

I wouldn't be so sure. Disney's pretty good at 'picking' where their business comes from. If locals (or even wider Republicans) drop off then the promos for international guests increase. Disney does a HUGE amount of bookings from the UK alone, and one whif of a deal being available and the rooms get booked up fast.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Corporatism would be farming out what would be the traditional role of government to corporations. You could argue the original 1967 RCID was corporatism but you could also argue the central Florida area was so under developed that this was borne out of necessity.

By over correcting and creating a different standard for Disney in terms of ride inspections, tax penalties, etc. that would not apply to other large theme parks that to is a form of corporatism. Retaining special tax status for other districts is also a form of corporate welfare. The contractors of Villages are also beneficiaries of a form of corporatism so why cherry pick Disney?

True “conservatism” would be setting a standard set of rules across the board, eliminating all special districts statewide and transferring debt obligations to localities and/or the state general fund and its taxpayers and treating all state employers equally regardless of if/how they chose to exercise their first amendment rights.

…correct….

RCID was borne out of necessity. It's something so many have neglected to mention or pretend to be ignorant of. It remained in place as it was mutually beneficial to the state, Disney, and Orange and Osceola counties.

…and 1000% correct


It’s amazing how many have forgotten - or more accurately not bothered to take 1 hour to educate themselves…
…that Disney BUILT central Florida

There was nothing there prior. Tourism followed and it’s one of the most concentrated areas in the country/world…

None of this should be in dispute. For a second.

To say RCID needed “changing” is devoid of factual basis. Only low paid workers have a legitimate complaint as to the “downsides”

…but I bet we aren’t gonna fix that…are we Florida?

 

[Prince-1]

Not at all. Posting a clip from a politician or sharing an article doesn't necessarily mean the poster agrees with the content.

Unless you specifically say otherwise it would look like you are agreeing or endorsing the content of the article you are posting.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Not at all. Posting a clip from a politician or sharing an article doesn't necessarily mean the poster agrees with the content.

Ok…but it also means nothing beyond a potential “gotcha”

They’ve said enough here already for summary judgement - if we’re honest

 

[tallica]

By who?

The right. Moderates are decreasing in numbers. Both sides are moving farther apart. Not good for the country as a whole.

 

[MagicHappens1971]

It’s amazing how many have forgotten - or more accurately not bothered to take 1 hour to educate themselves…
…that Disney BUILT central Florida

There was nothing there prior. Tourism followed and it’s one of the most concentrated areas in the country/world…

None of this should be in dispute. For a second.

To say RCID needed “changing” is devoid of factual basis. Only low paid workers have a legitimate complaint as to the “downsides”

…but I bet we aren’t gonna fix that…are we Florida?

I've established this probably 100 times throughout this thread, and still so many claim they have no idea whats going on, and that DeSantis is in the right.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

I've established this probably 100 times throughout this thread, and still so many claim they have no idea whats going on, and that DeSantis is in the right.

Woah…
Pull that car over and put the keys on the dashboard, sir!

 

[tissandtully]

I've established this probably 100 times throughout this thread, and still so many claim they have no idea whats going on, and that DeSantis is in the right.

that would require reading before commenting

 

[tallica]

Tell me you don't know any of the facts without telling me you don't know any of the facts

I know bookings are down. Also, Disney sit down restaurants had one of the slowest spring breaks ever. Plus non-park divisions are definitely hurting.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

The right. Moderates are decreasing in numbers. Both sides are moving farther apart. Not good for the country as a whole.

…you want meet up for a churro and we talk about the actual numbers behind that platitude?