News Reedy Creek Improvement District and the Central Florida Tourism Oversight District

[Kamikaze]

Makes me wonder if the district was tipped on how Disney would attack.

The vast majority of Disney's complaint hinges on defending "the contracts" and relies on defining the comp 2032 plan as valid and confirmed by the state.

But a substantial amount of time today was spent by the lawyer trying to undermine the same comp 2032 plan as invalid before having the board vote to void the contracts. A topic they didn't touch on at all last time.

The district lawyer outlined numerous vectors they could attack the Comp Plan 2032 on... believe them or not... that is turf that will be fought over in court. Disney's fight to keep the contracts and comp plan could be wound up into those procedural and records topics.

At least they do explictly call out the state's prior acts (dissolution and the new reformation) as 1A violations so at least that fight will continue even if Disney were to lose on the contracts points.

At least one of those points is refuted in Disney's filing as they note that the cities DID vote to approve the agreement.

 

[MagicHappens1971]

What about an out of court settlement? Parties settle all the time out of court after filing lawsuits.

I could see Disney wanting to drag this out in court to embarrass DeSantis even more but that may just be my opinion. I also don’t see them settling so that if Disney wins, DeSantis can blame the courts

 

[Kamikaze]

What about an out of court settlement? Parties settle all the time out of court after filing lawsuits.

Unless DeSantis is no longer Gov, not going to happen.

 

[mikejs78]

Right but the 1A stuff is sort of the first domino. If they win on that, then everything else is moot because it was downstream from the legislation dissolving RCID in the first place.

I think the point is that even if they don't win on the 1A issue, there's plenty of other stuff here for them to win on.

You are correct that it’s about attention.

But he has no “future”…his warts have been shown in droves. He’s a low skilled copy of Chris Christie…and that’s worked like a charm

He makes Christie look like Abraham Lincoln.

I would assume that the judge would word any injunctive relief to allow the option for the state to dissolve the WDW special district (whether that be RCID, CFTOD, or something else) at some point in the future, so long as it is not in retaliation for Disney's speech. It would be wholly unreasonable to order the state to maintain a special district for any entity in perpetuity.

I could see a "cooling off" period as part of a ruling, that no changes to RCID for a period of time, say 10 years, or something like that.

 

[lazyboy97o]

What about an out of court settlement? Parties settle all the time out of court after filing lawsuits.

This isn’t a case seeking damages. There’s not really a way to settle unless the state voluntarily repeals laws.

 

[mikejs78]

What about an out of court settlement? Parties settle all the time out of court after filing lawsuits.

It might, but only if DeSantis is no longer governor.

 

[CaptainAmerica]

What about an out of court settlement? Parties settle all the time out of court after filing lawsuits.

DeSantis would much rather lose than settle.

He can spin a loss into "getting screwed by Obama-appointed judges who wanted to overrule the will of the Florida voters" yada yada. Settling would be surrender.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Once Disney filed a lawsuit, they were always going to throw everything on the table. You don't sue and then go back and sue again under a different theory if the first one doesn't work; you plead everything you can in one suit.

I’d be interested to hear if you or Kid think anything in the filing is an “overreach”?

 

[lewisc]

What about an out of court settlement? Parties settle all the time out of court after filing lawsuits.

Only if the case is still in the courts after Emperor DeSantis leaves office.

 

[Brian]

Guy Who Took Thread Off-Topic Promises To Not Go Off-Topic

Guy who tries to respond to the 20+ people pouncing on him found himself deviating off-topic and decided to stop.

It's called taking the high road. You should try it sometime.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

What about an out of court settlement? Parties settle all the time out of court after filing lawsuits.

…yeah…but this isn’t about a civil trial over compensatory damages

The only way Disney “settles” is if they reset the RCID parameters

And that now requires a legislative act and signature of a thoroughly worked over adversarial group who put themselves in the cross hairs.

Don’t think that’s happening

 

[GBAB1973]

At least one of those points is refuted in Disney's filing as they note that the cities DID vote to approve the agreement.

Is the allegation that they didn't approve or that the cities didn't provide notification or hold hearings before approving?

 

[lazyboy97o]

So this is a weird question that I’ve been mulling over. Let’s say the dissolution is found to be federally unconstitutional and the laws get repealed. What happens to RCID moving forward? Is it permanent or can the state just dissolve it again in the future and make sure not to say it’s in retaliation to something Disney says?

They could try dissolving again but it would mean actually dealing with serious questions such as the bonds. They’d have to do everything by the book which means serious time and effort.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Guy who tries to respond to the 20+ people pouncing on him found himself deviating off-topic and decided to stop.

It's called taking the high road. You should try it sometime.

See…it seems more like you were beaten soundly and efficiently on the China thing?

But I’m new here.

And to caveat…I don’t support would be tyrants in anyway. Not in Beijing or the Pan Handle or the Atlantic Coast.
Any student of history doesn’t second guess that stance. They’re all insane and dangerous.

It’s the truth…it’s actual…it’s satisfactual.

 

[GoofGoof]

What about an out of court settlement? Parties settle all the time out of court after filing lawsuits.

Depends on the timing. 95% of the root cause of all of this is DeSantis running for POTUS. A year from now that will likely not be an issue so if the legislature wanted to compromise they could even if he tries to veto. There will be no compromise until DeSantis’s POTUS campaign is over so not in the next year or so.

I think Disney would absolutely prefer a settlement. They don’t care about “winning” some political argument. They just want to move forward running their company as they see fit.

 

[Kamikaze]

Is the allegation that they didn't approve or that the cities didn't provide notification or hold hearings before approving?

I believe what he was saying is that the cities (not RCID/CFTOD) needed to approve the developer agreement and they didn't do that.

 

[UNCgolf]

You wouldn't sue for X and then go back and sue for Y, but you can use discretion and understand that if you're unlikely to prevail on Y, you might leave it out in the first place.

There's really no reason not to at least make the argument, even if you think you're unlikely to prevail -- as long as it's not just wildly ridiculous. You never know what a judge might do so even if there's a small chance you may as well take it. They can always dismiss or grant summary judgment on one claim while leaving the others.

 

[harry58]

slowly reading this full filing to me most damning statements are on page 50 statements about not controlling the RCID but influencing Disney content. way out of line

 

[Batman'sParents]

Depends on the timing. 95% of the root cause of all of this is DeSantis running for POTUS. A year from now that will likely not be an issue so if the legislature wanted to compromise they could even if he tries to veto. There will be no compromise until DeSantis’s POTUS campaign is over so not in the next year or so.

I think Disney would absolutely prefer a settlement. They don’t care about “winning” some political argument. They just want to move forward running their company as they see fit.

So is this an example of escalating to de-escalate?

Threaten to sue and file suit but later settle?

 

[flynnibus]

Is the allegation that they didn't approve or that the cities didn't provide notification or hold hearings before approving?

There are multiple claims of failure... from what they voted on, to what was documented, to timelines, to changes between readings that were not discussed, to the district not even having the authority to pass what they did, etc. Lots of issues brought up today... I assume they are in the board packet but haven't tried to go through it yet.

Validity of those points is another debate...