News Reedy Creek Improvement District and the Central Florida Tourism Oversight District

[flynnibus]

This is the thing I keep coming back to. The legislature and governor haven't yet shown the ability to think more than one step ahead.

at least this time disney gave them examples of a valid dissolution to copy

 

[GoofGoof]

DeSantis is young and will run again in 2028 so I don’t see much incentive for him to moderate in a year. Similarly, should DeSantis resign, the state’s LG - even if they wanted to seek detentè with TWDC - will be locked in a tough place with both the base/voters and the legislature (since this is now statute and can’t be undone via EO or regulation) if they’re seen as capitulating.

The only way I see this ending is if Disney wins in court and forces a policy-based compromise resolution back in the hands of the legislature who will approach this begrudgingly.

DeSantis doesn’t have to moderate. If he’s a lame duck Governor in a year or so with 2.5 years left and a failed POTUS run on his resume the legislature can act without his blessing. He controls them now due to his popularity escalated by his potential POTUS run but eventually that will wear on guys who have their own careers. I’m not saying it will happen but it could.

 

[fgmnt]

They could try dissolving again but it would mean actually dealing with serious questions such as the bonds. They’d have to do everything by the book which means serious time and effort.

Is it possible that a judgement in favor of RCID under 1A grounds could subject the state to a cooling off period where they can’t craft any legislation to negatively target the district for a certain amount of time?

 

[networkpro]

Thankfully this has moved out of the court of public opinion into a real court.

 

[GoofGoof]

Not only that, the governor and members of the legislature would need to learn how to keep their mouths shut. DeSantis literally wrote part of Disney's argument for them in his book.

I think there would also need to be a "cooling off" period, realistically. They can't have a second go-around right after being beaten in court.

Yeah I don’t envy the guys that have to pull together this defense. We all talk about over paid lawyers but in this case they will be earning every penny of that money

 

[Brian]

Yeah I don’t envy the guys that have to pull together this defense. We all talk about over paid lawyers but in this case they will be earning every penny of that money

As a Floridian, I just hope they're not paid by the hour.

 

[GoofGoof]

Is it possible that a judgement in favor of RCID under 1A grounds could subject the state to a cooling off period where they can’t craft any legislation to negatively target the district for a certain amount of time?

I think it would. It may not be a formal period defined in the ruling but it would be difficult for the Governor as long as he’s in office to go for a redo. The legislature is all term limited as well so say in 10 years when nobody involved in this will be in the same positions it could be done then.

 

[drnilescrane]

A single dollar in debt paid back over 1000 years

Is there any law against issuing a Consol (i.e. a perpetual bond)? They have been issued in the past in the US.

 

[CaptainAmerica]

There's really no reason not to at least make the argument...

I think there's a psychological component to it, like when a prosecutor overcharges. You don't want to irritate the judge and/or jury with frivolous claims because it makes them subconsciously predisposed to rule against your valid claims as well.

 

[mkt]

Yeah I don’t envy the guys that have to pull together this defense.

Just like the development agreement, they'll push for this to be tossed based on something procedural, and not on the substance.

 

[Figgy1]

As a Floridian, I just hope they're not paid by the hour.

each and every one by the hour

 

[drnilescrane]

I think there's a psychological component to it, like when a prosecutor overcharges. You don't want to irritate the judge and/or jury with frivolous claims because it makes them subconsciously predisposed to rule against your valid claims as well.

Just like the development agreement, they'll push for this to be tossed based on something procedural, and not on the substance.

Which is going to work out wonderfully for the state/CFTOD's lawyers.

 

[lazyboy97o]

DeSantis doesn’t have to moderate. If he’s a lame duck Governor in a year or so with 2.5 years left and a failed POTUS run on his resume the legislature can act without his blessing. He controls them now due to his popularity escalated by his potential POTUS run but eventually that will wear on guys who have their own careers. I’m not saying it will happen but it could.

The executive branch, not the legislature, handles litigation against the state. That’s why DeSantis was named. Their ability to “settle” is limited unless they put together a super majority to repeal everything.

 

[tissandtully]

Yes NASCAR owns the track and the One Daytona development next to it.

One Daytona charges 1% development fee on every purchase too on top of other sales tax, it’s kinda annoying, they got a good deal out of it I guess

 

[UNCgolf]

I think there's a psychological component to it, like when a prosecutor overcharges. You don't want to irritate the judge and/or jury with frivolous claims because it makes them subconsciously predisposed to rule against your valid claims as well.

I agree about pursuing frivolous claims -- just not sure anything in this rises to the level of frivolous.

I haven't read it, though.

 

[Fido Chuckwagon]

I agree about pursuing frivolous claims -- just not sure anything in this rises to the level of frivolous.

I haven't read it, though.

It's a very well-drafted complaint. There is nothing in it that is even close to "frivolous." It's clear it was drafted not only with the court in mind, but also with PR in mind.

 

[lazyboy97o]

I eagerly await the next Mickey Views on the complaint.

 

[BuzzedPotatoHead89]

DeSantis doesn’t have to moderate. If he’s a lame duck Governor in a year or so with 2.5 years left and a failed POTUS run on his resume the legislature can act without his blessing. He controls them now due to his popularity escalated by his potential POTUS run but eventually that will wear on guys who have their own careers. I’m not saying it will happen but it could.

I get that but I think the challenge here is a political one which I have to be cautious about how I frame here. The perception is the base voters that control the balance of power on the state legislature in Florida want to see a certain POV pushed and the members of the state legislature will oblige in the interest of advancing their own personal careers.

I think we’re overestimating how much of this is about fueling the ego of one man (DeSantis) vs the adherence of an ideological position that’s larger than one individual. While some of this is certainly in furtherance of DeSantis’ career, a lot of these other folks are either “true believers” or individual opportunists riding the wave of discontent that want to punish Disney for a perceived grievance regardless of who the the Governor is.

 

[MagicRat]

Florida Ron should have took notes from Missouri’s Greitens and Hawley, use the new way of catering to your base but don’t go too far or you will drown in a swamp!

 

[mkt]

Is there any law against issuing a Consol (i.e. a perpetual bond)? They have been issued in the past in the US.

Issue a single $1 bond every year that earns 100% interest to be repaid over the next 25 years.