News Reedy Creek Improvement District and the Central Florida Tourism Oversight District

[CaptainAmerica]

Oh, absolutely. Or replace high seniority hourly frontline CMs earning higher wages with new hires that earn lower salaries.

In my experience, Disney's done this before, usually coinciding with other cost reductions.

This is correct.

Just to add... if anything, we've seen small, incremental changes that show that frontline operations are still in post-COVID expansion mode. Things like breakfast coming back to Garden Grill, cultural representatives back and Animal Kingdom Lodge, operating hours for resort QS locations slowly expanding, daily housekeeping returning to Deluxe resorts, etc.

 

[Vegas Disney Fan]

Oh, absolutely. Or replace high seniority hourly frontline CMs earning higher wages with new hires that earn lower salaries.

In my experience, Disney's done this before, usually coinciding with other cost reductions.

Are there high seniority front line CMs that make more than the new union wage?

With wages going up so fast I’d be surprised if people who’ve been there a decade make a penny more than the people who started yesterday. Normally that’s a source of frustration but in this case it may be a positive and prevent the senior staff from getting hit with lay offs

 

[Disstevefan1]

I am still confused that there are both union and non union workers working the same job side by side.

 

[CaptainAmerica]

I am still confused that there are both union and non union workers working the same job side by side.

It's called an "open shop" (as opposed to a closed shop) and it's the law in 27 states. You can't force someone to join a union as a condition of employment.

 

[tissandtully]

Imagine the heads exploding if he was negotiating a developer’s agreement between the CFTOD and the OLC…

I would definitely be very conflicted.

 

[Brian]

I am still confused that there are both union and non union workers working the same job side by side.

The collective bargaining agreement for most front line roles at WDW specifically include Full-Time and Casual Regular (Part-Time) CMs. If you work in a unionized role, such as Attractions Host/Hostess or Merchandise Host/Hostess, you are considered part of a unionized role. You have the option in Florida of joining the union as a member, but are not required to do so, as Florida is a "right to work" state, unlike California where one must join the union as a condition of employment if hired into a unionized role.

The only time you'll see a non-union CM working beside union CMs in the same role (such as Attractions H/H) would be in the case of casual temporary (seasonal) vs part-time or full-time, as CTs are not covered by the CBA. You see this a lot with DCP kids (who are considered CT) and their CR/FT coworkers.

 

[lazyboy97o]

Reading quickly through the legislative findings just published, a few things stick out.

There does not seem to be a single reference to the original charter.

They really are trying to retroactively apply HB 9B. They’re also trying to add non-existent limitations on actions to the now repealed dissolution.

 

[mkt]

I am still confused that there are both union and non union workers working the same job side by side.

That's par for the course for union employers in a right-to-work state.

 

[Lilofan]

I am still confused that there are both union and non union workers working the same job side by side.

Not mandatory to join the union. Whatever the result of the approved contract all get same raise on the team. Only 5% of workers in South are unionized.

 

[LAKid53]

It's called an "open shop" (as opposed to a closed shop) and it's the law in 27 states. You can't force someone to join a union as a condition of employment.

Bingo

 

[LAKid53]

So I guess we will see the first court room action pretty soon in this conflict:

Approval of legislative findings regarding and declare the February 8, 2023 Development Agreement and Declaration of Restrictive Covenants entered into by the Reedy Creek Improvement District and Walt Disney Parks and Resorts U.S., Inc. void and unenforceable and direction to litigation counsel to commence litigation as needed to have such instruments declared void and unenforceable, prohibit the enforcement of the same, to have such instruments terminated or stricken from the public records of Orange and Osceola Counties and to assert these legislative findings and seek remedies regarding the same.

They are directing their outside counsel to start litigation to void the contract.

Time to get more popcorn.

 

[UNCgolf]

If they lose the (potential) lawsuit, how many of the board members resign? I'm guessing most, if not all. They're not interested in actually running a municipal district; that's not what they (thought) they signed up for.

 

[lazyboy97o]

If they lose the (potential) lawsuit, how many of the board members resign? I'm guessing most, if not all. They're not interested in actually running a municipal district; that's not what they (thought) they signed up for.

I’m not sure they wouldn’t try again.

 

[Kamikaze]

If they lose the (potential) lawsuit, how many of the board members resign? I'm guessing most, if not all. They're not interested in actually running a municipal district; that's not what they (thought) they signed up for.

Probably all of them.

Should be noted though, that it will take YEARS to resolve any case that makes it to court.

 

[CaptainAmerica]

If they lose the (potential) lawsuit, how many of the board members resign? I'm guessing most, if not all. They're not interested in actually running a municipal district; that's not what they (thought) they signed up for.

Based on my impressions of the meeting...

Absolute clown-world hacks: Martin Garcia, Michael Sasso, Bridget Ziegler

Why is this guy here: Ron Peri

Possibly competent and intelligent: Brian Aungst, Jr. and Daniel Langley (aka Colin Robinson)

 

[JAB]

If they lose the (potential) lawsuit, how many of the board members resign? I'm guessing most, if not all. They're not interested in actually running a municipal district; that's not what they (thought) they signed up for.

If the board loses the lawsuit over the validity of the contracts, I'm not sure they'd give up immediately. They still potentially have options with the legislature's new bill to let the board retroactively void the contracts, so they'd likely wait to see if that passes (and then possibly even through Disney's inevitable litigation over the constitutionality of that bill).

 

[J4546]

this is weird. out of the many things in FL that could/should be addressed this seems like just a clown show

 

[mikejs78]

Quid pro pro

This generally refers to illegal acts, or bribery, especially in legal contexts. I don't think that applies or should be used in reference to Reedy Creek, because everything as far as we know was above board.

 

[UNCgolf]

Probably all of them.

Should be noted though, that it will take YEARS to resolve any case that makes it to court.

Eh, not necessarily. If it goes through appellate proceedings, absolutely, but if DeSantis is no longer governor who knows what happens. The state may give up on the case (and not just this specific case, but any related litigation).

Regardless, I meant in general -- i.e. how many of the current board members would remain if it's clear to them that they're not going to have any real authority to punish Disney.

 

[flynnibus]

This generally refers to illegal acts, or bribery, especially in legal contexts

Not necessarily. But that's not the context it's being used here.. should be obvious. And in fact it's the opposite here.. it's showing there is a value in exchange... establishing quid pro pro, not the absence of it (as one would argue in a lopsided or 'sweetheart' deal)