News Reedy Creek Improvement District and the Central Florida Tourism Oversight District

[Touchdown]

….and that sounds crazier than any of what has already happened?????

It’s less likely, especially given he’s ignored the state recently.

 

[GoofGoof]

Disney tells its lobbyists to step up fight against DeSantis and his allies in Florida

This news drops the same day as the Politico report that some GOP lawmakers are getting tired of DeSantis’s feud with Disney

 

[GhostHost1000]

This news drops the same day as the Politico report that some GOP lawmakers are getting tired of DeSantis’s feud with Disney

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I have friends that were actually hoping DeSantis would run and would vote for him over Trump that are not huge Disney fans like us, but when talking to some of them about what is going on, even they think he’s going way beyond what he should be doing. One even said (paraphrasing) making a counter statement and firing back against them is fine, but doing what he’s doing is just wrong. So yeah I can see where he’d be losing some support on his own side overreaching now

 

[lazyboy97o]

If I am reading you correctly, do you believe that Disney is not going to pursue any legal law suites? It appears that both the board and the Florida Legislature/Gov are going to do everything possible to void contracts-- whether what they do is legal or not. Stepping back, I believe a whole bunch of pages ago you stated that no construction will start without first getting permits--which the new board now controls. So why fight this in courts if the end result is you are going to still have to go thru the board? Am I reading this wrong? As a moderate republican, I am really disappointed on how Florida has totally mishandled this whole situation. And while I initially hoped that Disney could learn to work with the new board, those Covenants now have escalated this to a personal vendetta. Legal or not, in your opinion how do you see this working out?

I have absolutely no idea how Disney will respond. Unlike many others, my assessment of their actions is negative. I wouldn’t be surprised if they don’t fight a declaration that the agreements are void. I don’t know what it would take to convince Iger that the stated maximalist goals are not just empty bluster and that this isn’t going away.

Correct that construction cannot start without permits but as of yet the Board has not changed the rules in a way that jeopardizes that. The Board itself does not issue permits, those approvals are administrative and done by the department staff. The same is true of the majority of items sent to the planning department, they’re administratively approved and do not go before the planning commission (now the Board of Supervisors). The Board has not yet changed the land use regulations in a way that will send projects to them.

 

[lazyboy97o]

We are not talking about the same thing. You keep questioning why Disney hasn't taken any legal action at this point, and I am trying to explain to you that they cannot because nothing has actually occurred yet.

Plenty of actionable events have transpired.

 

[EeyoreFan#24]

Well they declared it now….

 

[Smiley/OCD]

Then what was the reason for the big name lawyers making that their main point? Its a fascinating situation.

Because it’s all legal bloviating…

 

[lazyboy97o]

Again, you clearly do not understand how the law works. You cant not file for an injunction on an anticipatory basis.

Yes you can. That’s basically the whole point of an injunction, to stop something from occurring because it will cause a harm.

 

[lazyboy97o]

I gotta imagine though if you are leveraging something defined in another statute (the developer agreement one) that those standards apply to. This action wasn't in the normal course of the district's granted activities (covered by the RCID act), it's a concept pulled from the other law.

Except the district was allowed to enter into contracts and agreements. They were just going with a particular type. The district charter also said that the charter prevailed in the event of a conflict with future state law.

 

[Smiley/OCD]

Wondering if the they might attempt to change the term limits for him?

He’s serving his second term…he can’t run for a third…I don’t know if Florida has a recall procedure, but I don’t think that would ever be up for discussion

 

[LAKid53]

He’s serving his second term…he can’t run for a third…I don’t know if Florida has a recall procedure, but I don’t think that would ever be up for discussion

Yes, he's term limited to 2 terms. Florida has no recall for statewide elected officials - governor, lieutenant governor, AG, Ag commissioner. Have to be impeached by the Legislature.

 

[Chi84]

Yes you can. That’s basically the whole point of an injunction, to stop something from occurring because it will cause a harm.

But there has to be a subject to enjoin. A lot of proof is required for getting a preliminary injunction.

 

[Smiley/OCD]

Yes, he's term limited to 2 terms. Florida has no recall fur statewide elected officials - governor, lieutenant governor, AG, Ag commissioner. Have to be impeached by the Legislature.

And that’s NEVER going to happen

 

[JAB]

Well they declared it now….

It makes me wonder if the board genuinely believes they have the authority to void the contract just because they say so, or are they knowingly crossing the line in an attempt to goad Disney into litigating.

 

[lewisc]

Yes you can. That’s basically the whole point of an injunction, to stop something from occurring because it will cause a harm.

Posters are talking over each other.

You file for an injunction after a law, or regulation, is passed to prevent it from being enforced, pending a trial.

You don't file, based on political rhetoric, before the law is passed.

 

[lentesta]

Then what was the reason for the big name lawyers making that their main point? It’s a fascinating situation.

I’m guessing those lawyers had $800 per billable hour in reasons.

 

[mkt]

He’s serving his second term…he can’t run for a third…I don’t know if Florida has a recall procedure, but I don’t think that would ever be up for discussion

He can run for a nonconsecutive third term, and Florida has no recall procedure: just impeachment, which given how stacked the legislature and judicial in Florida are, is a non-starter.

 

[lewisc]

It makes me wonder if the board genuinely believes they have the authority to void the contract just because they say so, or are they knowingly crossing the line in an attempt to goad Disney into litigating.

I'll speculate neither. They are saying what Ron wants them say.

 

[RobbinsDad]

I have friends that were actually hoping DeSantis would run and would vote for him over Trump that are not huge Disney fans like us, but when talking to some of them about what is going on, even they think he’s going way beyond what he should be doing. One even said (paraphrasing) making a counter statement and firing back against them is fine, but doing what he’s doing is just wrong. So yeah I can see where he’d be losing some support on his own side overreaching now

He really does need to pivot rhetorically to something else. When you can make the other major national political figure within the state look like the adult in the room, you've miscalculated.

 

[MrPromey]

I’m guessing those lawyers had $800 per billable hour in reasons.

Paid for by us fine citizens of the sunshine state (which means, also Disney).

Meanwhile, my home owner's insurance...