News Reedy Creek Improvement District and the Central Florida Tourism Oversight District

Heath

Active Member
Dolly Parton is very openly political. She is an icon of the LGBTQ+ community and has openly embraced that role. She was an early advocate for LGBTQ+ Civil Rights. She wrote the theme song for a movie about a trans woman in 2006. She is significantly to the left of Disney.

Now why did you assume she was “apolitical?”
I didn’t assume. I was born, grew up, and live in east TN, own a theatre here. My family lives in Dandridge, just our Sevierville. Dolly’s family’s property is near my family home. My family and fiends work or have worked at Dollywood. Dolly is generally apolitical. This is a well grounded fact.
 

flynnibus

Premium Member
Can you shed any light* on why the counties would be forced to assume the RCID's debts and functions in the event of it being dissolved, yet not be entitled to the future/additional tax revenue which had been paid to RCID in the past for those same functions? If I'm not mistaken, that is the position that the OC Tax Collector has taken, but that strikes me as odd.

*Any answer is pro-bono.

Because the ~100M in tax rcid was collecting was a rcid one - is not a county tax. It’s a tax that would simply go away if rcid did. The county would need new taxes to replace it.
 

LAKid53

Official Member of the Girly Girl Fan Club
Premium Member
Interesting to me is the fact everyone is focused on RCID, Orange County and Disney when there are other districts impacted by this legislation. Disney does not have an exclusive on impact. "Florida House leaders said the new law would impact five special districts: Reedy Creek Improvement District, Bradford County Development Authority, Sunshine Water Control District in Broward County, Eastpoint Water and Sewer District in Franklin County, and the Hamilton County Development Authority."

Franklin County is a small county on the NW Florida Gulf Coast. Eastpoint is basically a fishing village with a few oyster shacks and an IGA. This will impact that community which is already struggling due to the dying oyster harvest.
 

LAKid53

Official Member of the Girly Girl Fan Club
Premium Member
It seems the District should look at going on a bond issuing spree. I’ve been looking at the enabling legislation and Section 56 includes a pledge to not “impair the rights or remedies of holders.” If the state dissolved the District wouldn’t the state taxpayers then be liable for the bonds issued by the District?

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WDWJoeG

Well-Known Member
Hmm... Now this isn't actually true, is it...
He ran for president being against gay marriage.

Spin his "evolution" after the fact however you would like if it makes you sleep better at night, but for those of us who lived through the 2008 election, he was against gay marriage.

But hey, we're making things up in this thread like the bill says "don't say gay" so making things up is fun!

Hey, have you heard the one about the Russian dossier on Trump?

Oh, oh, that laptop of Hunter's?! TOTALLY fake!

See, it's fun to play make believe!!!
 

Midwest Elitist

Well-Known Member
He ran for president being against gay rights.

Spin his "evolution" after the fact however you would like if it makes you sleep better at night, but for those of us who lived through the 2008 election, he was against gay marriage.

But hey, we're making things up in this thread like the bill says "don't say gay" so making things up is fun!

Hey, have you heard the one about the Russian dossier on Trump?

Oh, oh, that laptop of Hunter's?! TOTALLY fake!

See, it's fun to play make believe!!!
Ok, so I'm just going to answer each point of your shotgun in one sentence.

First two are irrelevant after he became the first President to support gay marriage.

When quite literally the author has said it is, the nickname is valid.

I own and have read the Mueller report which confirms a lot that is in the Steele Dossier.

Republicans supported vast changes to the prosecutor generals office of Ukraine, as did the UN, so the main point of the "laptop" existing is laughably invalid. But sure, the emails from Hunter's hacked iCloud are there.

Have a good night.
 

WDWJoeG

Well-Known Member
Ok, so I'm just going to answer each point of your shotgun in one sentence.

First two are irrelevant after he became the first President to support gay marriage.

When quite literally the author has said it is, the nickname is valid.

I own and have read the Mueller report which confirms a lot that is in the Steele Dossier.

Republicans supported vast changes to the prosecutor generals office of Ukraine, as did the UN, so the main point of the "laptop" existing is laughably invalid. But sure, the emails from Hunter's hacked iCloud are there.

Have a good night.
So you admit what I said is a fact - he ran for president being against gay marriage.

Thank you for validating my point.

And the Russian hoax was paid for by Hillary Clinton's campaign and the DNC and Hunter's laptop is real. And Hunter was paid millions both for his incredible insight into Ukrainian politics and the energy industry. He's a genius!

Oh, and I have a copy of the bill right here, if you could direct me to the page and line number where it reads "don't say gay", that would be great.

Facts are fun!
 
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Midwest Elitist

Well-Known Member
So you admit what I said is a fact - he ran for president being against gay marriage.

Thank you for validating my point.

And the Russian hoax was paid for by Hillary Clinton's campaign and the DNC and Hunter's laptop is real. And Hunter was paid millions both for his incredible insight into Ukrainian politics and the energy industry. He's a genius!

Facts are fun!
I like how you pretty much ignore everything I said and then went "lol, see, I'm right! 😂😂😂".

Irrelevant.

Not an argument.

Crossfire Hurricane is not based on the Steele Dossier, neither is the Mueller report (which has been validated by the Republican led Senate committee). You are also wrong as to the origins of the Dossier's funding.

Hunter's laptop is real, even though you have no evidence (aside from hacked emails that were put into a PDF nearly a year later).

Hunter was hired because of nepotism and his financial background.

Expected nothing else, I live and breathe this stuff (hazardous to my mental state, obviously) but we really should be getting back on topic.
 

Lilofan

Well-Known Member
Why oh why did Disney have to take a stick, walk right up to the political bee-hive and whack it like that? This was completely unnecessary and 100% self enflicted.

Disney, my God...please stay away from "all" politics. Stop "all" support for "all" politicians. You need to declare a NEUTRAL and non-poltical policy from this day forward. Do not try to be an "activist" entertainment company. This only leads to horrible outcomes and the deeper you go, the worse it will get.

Social politics are a quick-sand that you cant escape and it ends only with you greatly upsetting BOTH sides of whatever issue you are tangled in.

Politics is a VERY dirty business. Dont think that you can dive into it and somehow stay clean. That is 100% impossible. Just avoid the temptation....and stay as far away from it as much as you can.

Treat all your castmembers well. Do not get in bed with "any" politician. Do not publically alienate your customers or your shareholders...no matter how much you privately want to.

Be Switzerland......
Do not get in bed companies with officials is wishful thinking . It will never happen. The you help me I help you will always happen.
 

Nigel Yeo

New Member
Ah.. the politics of spite. Perhaps we could just settle things with a Chapek v DeSantis cage fight (although there would probably be a bitter battle about who got to enjoy top-billing).

Decisions made in such circumstances, to push one point of view or another, rushed through and ill conceived, rarely conclude well or are to the benefit of the wider community.

Ask yourself this, if they were not embroiled in a spat, would the question of RCID even be on the agenda?

Politicians and business leaders alike need to understand that the majority of people, at heart, sit broadly in the center, and that this relentless polarisation is toxic.

A mentality of "You're either with us or against us" on almost every issue is a slight on the electorate. It is an impediment to democracy and represents a great disservice to the public regardless of their affiliations.
 

CAV

Well-Known Member
DeSantis types and their opponents do this to one another. They all deserve it, so I don't particularly care.

I would love for our political climate to look something like Mitt Romney debating Amy Klobuchar. But it ain't gonna be any time soon.
You dont even realize you proved my point.
 

DisneyCane

Well-Known Member
If RCID is disbanded, what will be the practical consequences to WDW and the company? They weren't going to build a nuclear power plant anyway.

I guess it could hurt future financing of things like garages at Disney springs but is that really a big deal?

Opponents of this keep bringing up how it would hurt Orange and Osceola counties and increase property taxes in those counties. There has to be something that would hurt Disney. Politicians are a lot of things but they aren't stupid. They wouldn't do something just to make a statement that will be a negative for residents of those counties but not harm the target of the legislation.
 

Touchdown

Well-Known Member
Politicians are a lot of things but they aren't stupid.

You must not have been paying attention for the last 20 years. Political discourse has been poisoned by the rise of hyper partisans that now believe their primary duty is to a political party and their primary goal is to beat the other side. I don’t see how that thought can’t be described as stupid and self destructive. Last I checked all public officials take an oath to serve the people they represent, not just the people who voted for them.
 

Heath

Active Member
Dolly is a champion of LGBTQ+ representation, and representation is both political and one of the key issues in the Disney debate. The Florida bill is designed with a very unusual and specific enforcement method that is intended to chill and suppress LGBTQ+ representation. The thing Disney is most frequently attacked for is simply having LGBTQ+ representation in their media. This is why the reinsertion of a same-sex kiss into Lightyear was a major issue in this debate. It's why certain anti-Disney activists sparked a firestorm by demonizing and misrepresenting a clip in which a Disney executive endorsed increased representation of underrepresented groups - a category that Disney says includes not just LGBTQ+ individuals but a range of other categories, including military vets. It's why certain pro-bill sites have published lists accusing Disney of being "groomers" by listing every single time an LGBTQ+ individual - or someone who might be interpreted to be LGBTQ+ appeared in Disney media.

Quite frankly, you think Dolly is apolitical because the network of politicians, activists, and media figures who are driving the current culture war for political and financial gain haven't deemed it expedient to designate her as a villain.
First you said that I “assumed,” then you apparently know what I think and why I think. My original context was Dolly is a good model for Disney because she mostly avoids political opinions in her brand. Meanwhile Disney is a constantly pushing woke culture and shoving left wing activism down people’s throats. She’s not a villain because she doesn’t put herself on a platform to be one. Plus she often shows charitable acts of good will. With all due respect, even though you are an apparent mint reader, as a life long resident of Dolly’s home town, I really don’t need your schooling on Dolly Parton.
 

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