scottieRoss
Well-Known Member
it is more of the rush to punish Disney and they forget to look at what it really means.But it only gives the new board four months after taking office to do the review. That’s the problem.
it is more of the rush to punish Disney and they forget to look at what it really means.But it only gives the new board four months after taking office to do the review. That’s the problem.
Again. I so want this to now go through as is just to watch them all realize they messed it up again.it is more of the rush to punish Disney and they forget to look at what it really means.
Sure, but the way the bill is written, wouldn't the board be able to "review" and vote on it now (i.e. within 4 months), and then just wait for the bill to be signed to enforce their vote retroactively?But it only gives the new board four months after taking office to do the review. That’s the problem.
There’s no legal authority to do it right now. Although this whole situation is predicated on the idea that residents should treat proposed legislation as though it is law, so maybe they’d try.Sure, but the way the bill is written, wouldn't the board be able to "review" and vote on it now (i.e. within 4 months), and then just wait for the bill to be signed to enforce their vote retroactively?
I know they've been making questionable decisions, but I can't imagine even the FL legislature would bungle things so badly as to put an unmeetable deadline in their own unconstitutional retribution bill. Then again...
Here's a direct link to that amendment -
While they don't have the authority to void the contract yet, I can't see why they wouldn't be able to "review" it and hold a toothless vote indicating their future intent just to have it on the record, which it seems is all the new law will have required them to do since they intend to apply it retroactively.There’s no legal authority to do it right now. Although this whole situation is predicated on the idea that residents should treat proposed legislation as though it is law, so maybe they’d try.
Take the nane "DeSantis" out of your sentence and replace it with "for ANY representative in ANY government branch"So when someone voted for DeSantis last election..they were voting for him to ... attack the largest employer in Central Florida over a free speech issue and threaten overly burdensome state regulations?
He had a mandate for that?
I accidentally stayed at all star sports during cheerleader week once.. I think I would request a relocation to the prisonI think we are all missing the point of how cool a coaster would be going in and around a prison.
( this is sarcasm and not meant to be a endorsement..before people start hammering me over the head)
Really?...I cant believe you said that. ANY representative politician can do whatever their office allows them too once they are elected. The courts will shoot them down if "they" determine that representative did something unconstiutional. That is the courts job. Yes there have been countless representatives in this country...that "I" did not vote for that did things that dont represent "me". But MY vote for that person was in the minority...so I suck it up and wait to vote again someday.So by this logic, since Florida voted for him ... he can do whatever he wants right? Round up the Jews, violate the Constitution. I mean, it's representative democracy, so it's all good, right?
No...its EVERY representative's job is to be faithfull to the majority of voters that placed them there. That person "hopefully" has a feel for what their supporters want and tries to represent them accurately as best they can. Thats their job and untimately "WE" judge them and vote to re-elect them or elect somebody new.So when someone voted for DeSantis last election..they were voting for him to ... attack the largest employer in Central Florida over a free speech issue and threaten overly burdensome state regulations?
He had a mandate for that?
Ok....America is NOT a democracy. In an "actual" Democracy, all people vote on "ALL" bills and "ALL" laws, "ALL" the time. Nobody has time to do this!! Instead, we live in a REPRESENTATIVE REPUBLIC. This the US's closest system explanation. We elect REPRESENTATIVES to do "our" VOTING....in "our" place...so we don"t have to do it ourselves. Get it? Our legislators and executive branch "represent" OUR will and our wants
Naive...So yes...everything that is happening with our voted-in representatives and what they are doing with Disney is an extension of them doing this FOR us.
This is how the US system works.( and other contries too) What YOU looking for is a perfect democracy and I dont know any country in the world that does that.
You are correct in that we have a representative republic not a democracy.Ok....America is NOT a democracy. In an "actual" Democracy, all people vote on "ALL" bills and "ALL" laws, "ALL" the time. Nobody has time to do this!! Instead, we live in a REPRESENTATIVE REPUBLIC. This the US's closest system explanation. We elect REPRESENTATIVES to do "our" VOTING....in "our" place...so we don"t have to do it ourselves. Get it? Our legislators and executive branch "represent" OUR will and our wants
No...we dobt get to see HB9 or many other bills/laws because we dont "directly" vote on these things...our representatives ARE our voter.
So yes...everything that is happening with our voted-in representatives and what they are doing with Disney is an extension of them doing this FOR us.
This is how the US system works.( and other contries too) What YOU looking for is a perfect democracy and I dont know any country in the world that does that.
This is why voting is so important. Once you vote for a person...and they win...they become YOUR "voice" for most daily workings of bills and laws creations.
Florida voters wanted DeSantis by a strong margin and he is representing the people that voted for him. (For good or for bad)
No Kool Aid here...this is how representatives work!!
That link leads to a black hole OMG. May be off topic, same filer also submitted an amendment on SB698, something about expiring tourist development taxes. Please tell me it's not Disney relatedHere's a direct link to that amendment -
On your "real facts":You don't need to explain to me the idea of a representative republic.... I too took high school civics. But the that idea still does not support what you said.
You were trying to claim that the actions of DeSantis and the legislators are or match "the vast majority of floridia voters".
"DeSantis is simply the RESULT of the wants and ecpectations of the voting public!"
"Agree or disagree with Florida's voters....I get that it might be hard to accept...but the votes for these people show a CLEAR thought-pattern of the majoroty of Florida voters."
The real facts
So you can't use the simple fact to that these people have been elected to mean their actions match "the vast majority of Florida" wants on these decisions. Electing them was not a vote of confidence on a topic THAT DIDN'T EVEN EXIST at the time.
- Just because someone votes for someone doesn't mean they believe or support every action that person will take after they are elected
- A vast majority of voters don't even vote for an individual, but vote for a party's nominee. So they vote for 'their team' -- not the things that one person may represent or do
- The entire topic of retailation against Disney WAS NOT PART OF THE GOP PLATFORM during the last elections. So you can't say everyone who voted for the GOP were showing their wants or agreement with these actions
- Once elected, the individual is free to do whatever they want independent of the people that elected them... only facing the music in 2-4 years during the next election.
Which is why you were challenged to support your assertion. Instead you're just pointing at they were elected... wheeeee... you gonna claim every elected official that did something self-serving or illegal was also doing the will of the people? I mean.. they were elected right??
You expect your representatives to reflect the will of their constituents, but it is not a direct, or even required thing. And these days they will represent their PARTY before their constituients.
Naive...
No, I'm sticking to rational arguments that do not overreach what the facts actually support.
Correct in prison there are quiet hours , in All Star resort with cheerleaders and Brazilian teenage tour groups not so quiet hours and walls are paper thin.I accidentally stayed at all star sports during cheerleader week once.. I think I would request a relocation to the prison
Why do you want him to be tough on Disney? Tough on them for what reason?I voted for DeSantis. I WANT him to be tough on Disney but I also want him to be equal and FAIR with them.
Have you ever in your life met an elected politician that matched your "exact" political views? I suspect not! No representative is supposed to do everything you and I want!So you acknowledge you didn't vote for these actions - so we can drop the their elected position means their choice reflect everyone who voted for them nonsense.
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