News Reedy Creek Improvement District and the Central Florida Tourism Oversight District

Stripes

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The law doesn’t say all land owners within a jurisdiction. It says all “affected” land owners. Is the CVS in Flamingo Crossing an affected land owner if they’re not a party to nor bound by the agreement?
Generally, “affected property owners” would apply to all property owners adjacent to the property subject to the development agreement potentially even those outside of the district if their property is adjacent to/within 300 feet.

The statute itself doesn’t clarify what is considered an “affected property owner.” But this is how such language is generally understood.
 
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hopemax

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You're not wrong on many of those opportunities, especially when it came to reconstituting RCID into CFTOD and the board's composition.

What I think bears repeating is that it has to be Iger who makes the call. DeSantis needs to be able to say to his base that Disney extended the olive branch. If DeSantis extends an olive branch preemptively, or even goes so far as to call Iger himself, that will absolutely leak to the press, and his base will abandon him and consider him a weakling.
That would still happen the moment Disney corporate did anything that the base would consider woke. It would be all the proof they need that in the long run "Disney won." Pride events at either US park? Didn't do enough. DEI hiring initiatives? Didn't do enough. Movies / TV / Attractions featuring characters and stories they don't like? Didn't do enough. DeSantis got himself into a no win situation, because ultimately he will be judged by the base by whatever product Disney continues to put out. The only way he can not be a loser is to keep up the pretense of the fight. Like we've seen after 2020, and in AZ now.
 

Patcheslee

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Disney pushing popcorn buckets the past year has finally been explained.
 

lazyboy97o

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Disney decides to build the proverbial nuclear power plant right next to their property - they are “affected”.

On a personal level, the phone company decides to build a cell tower right next to your property. You are not bound by the deal but you certainly are affected.

Do you want to receive notification this is happening or do you say, “hey, my name is not on the contract so it’s none of my business”?

Projects get held up all the time because someone out of left field decides to object. If you failed to properly notify them, a project can be tied up in courts for months or even years.

Buy the damn stamp and mail anyone who might be remotely affected.
The agreement represents zoning and regulations that have existed for years. It’s not a change. If I buy land adjacent to land zoned for a nuclear power plant then it’s not exactly a surprise when a nuclear power plant is built. Same goes if it is zoned for a cell phone tower. It’s even less of a change when it’s existing development that’s going to remain as is.
 

el_super

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It doesn’t contradict at all. You said if they do anything wrong then we have to wait 4 years to vote the governor out. I said thats not how it works.

No, I said they could not act without consequence, something you tried to insist they could do as justification for Disney enacting the development agreement and in opposition to me saying the original fears were ridiculous.

Which is still true today... even if the law ends up eventually being on their side, they still cannot do whatever they want to Disney without reprocussions in the press/media/political spectrum.

The same holds true for Disney as well. Which to go back to my original point, is why they didn't bother to defend the district from the original dissolution effort last year.

Both sides are playing a PR game.
 

Stripes

Premium Member
The agreement represents zoning and regulations that have existed for years. It’s not a change. If I buy land adjacent to land zoned for a nuclear power plant then it’s not exactly a surprise when a nuclear power plant is built. Same goes if it is zoned for a cell phone tower. It’s even less of a change when it’s existing development that’s going to remain as is.
If RCID did not mail notices, I’m sure that will be Disney’s argument. They’ll argue that no changes were made to the allowed usage of the land and therefore the adjacent property owners were not affected.
 

lazyboy97o

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If RCID did not mail notices, I’m sure that will be Disney’s argument. They’ll argue that no changes were made to the allowed usage of the land and therefore the adjacent property owners were not affected.
And as I said, there was also an exception for notices in the original charter if the affected landowners of a Board of Supervisors decision provide written consent.

I also think there is an issue of standing. I don’t know if the District failing to do something nobody cares about really gives them a mulligan. In other situations the legislature has found that this issue alone should not undo a decision and contract.
 

scottieRoss

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OK, for all of you math majors out there.
If you sign a bill on February 27 to change RCID to CFTOD
then you want to Ex Post Facto a Land Development Agreement made within 3 months before the change from elected supervisors to appointed supervisors (within 4 months of the new status), would you not want to make the bill effective before July 1? You know, 4 months and 4 days after the change in status?
 

mmascari

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If I were Iger, I'd be calling up DeSantis and trying to game out a mutually agreeable solution to the issue, where nobody comes out with egg on their face. What that solution would look like, I'm not sure, but one of these guys went to Yale and Harvard, and the other has run a Fortune 50 company for over a decade. In other words, they're both intelligent men; I'm sure they can figure something out.
Doesn't matter. The only resolution where some pundit, commentator, that guy, or some other ad doesn't frame Ron as loosing is one where he get's direct control over some Disney content. Where Ron is able to punish Disney for releasing something or get them to not release it. Anything else will be to small for enough of a group reporting it that the base will see it as a loss. The goal was set and now he's stuck with it.

Conversely, that's one thing that isn't negotiable to Disney. There is no outcome where Disney voluntarily agrees to let anyone dictate their content. They'll bend to sales, public perception, and impact to stock prices. But, they'll never give someone outside the company any creative control.

So, you've got an impasse. Between the two, I think Disney is less likely to back down first. While they're clearly less likely to go big in public, that doesn't mean they're going to roll over. Giving an outsider creative control would be a death blow to the company.
 

TalkingHead

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Why did Disney not deal with this issue more forthrightly before the new board was installed? A lot of us were amazed they didn’t attempt litigation at the time. So they opted to try a clever maneuver that has been depicted as shifty. Did they think DeSantis and state Repubs would leave it at that?

They should have pursued litigation before it got to this point. Too clever by half.
 

peter11435

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Why did Disney not deal with this issue more forthrightly before the new board was installed? A lot of us were amazed they didn’t attempt litigation at the time. So they opted to try a clever maneuver that has been depicted as shifty. Did they think DeSantis and state Repubs would leave it at that?

They should have pursued litigation before it got to this point. Too clever by half.
They pursued this “clever maneuver” when the plan was for the district to be dissolved
 

Chi84

Premium Member
It being bad legislation and it being a good thing for Disney to opine on are two different things. Disney's comments ed off more people than they appeased, and that's just bad business.
Why do you think that? There's a huge group that doesn't care either way about the comments and some that disagree with Disney but kind of like that freedom of speech thing.
 

GoofGoof

Premium Member
Why did Disney not deal with this issue more forthrightly before the new board was installed? A lot of us were amazed they didn’t attempt litigation at the time. So they opted to try a clever maneuver that has been depicted as shifty. Did they think DeSantis and state Repubs would leave it at that?

They should have pursued litigation before it got to this point. Too clever by half.
What difference would it make? This new bill to void the contract goes back 3 months but they could have said a year if the contract was signed this time last year.
 

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