News Reedy Creek Improvement District and the Central Florida Tourism Oversight District

[GimpYancIent]

It’s kind of amazing the nuclear power plant malarkey doesn’t keep getting regurgitated.

You just did.

 

[No Name]

I don’t like that this agreement is tied to the lifespan of a member of the royal family, because I am not a fan of the royal family.
I dare the mods to delete this.

 

[Prince-1]

I don’t like that this agreement is tied to the lifespan of a member of the royal family, because I am not a fan of the royal family.
I dare the mods to delete this.

Well to be fair they don't like you either.

 

[LAKid53]

I don’t like that this agreement is tied to the lifespan of a member of the royal family, because I am not a fan of the royal family.
I dare the mods to delete this.

It's to avoid the "in perpetuity" issue. I thought it was a master stroke on Disney's part. May Princess Lilibet be prolific.

 

[flynnibus]

DeSantis doesnt need to twist any legislator's arm to move these bills through for their votes. Why?...because the majority of these legislators are already LIKE-MINDED. They are already on the same page and dont need to be forced.

Buhaha. No, they are acting as needed to stay in the favor of their party in the legislature. You think they all magically independently all come up with the same talking points? By pure coincidence?

We have the Governor and majority of the legislators wanting the same thing! How did THAT happen? Because the same Florida voters that put DeSantis into office are the same basic Florida citizens that voted these legislators into their seats.

Buhaha... so naive. You know why they vote together? Because they don't bite the hand that feeds them! You want that endorsement and stumping for your campaign? You sell yourself to the party line. You want that nomination spot? You sell yourself to the party line. You want that committee seat? You align to the party leadership. You want the votes for your agenda? You sell yourself on the votes the party wants no matter what.

These are not individuals acting on behalf of their local electorate - These are people acting to represent their PARTY. Feeling their party was empowered by someone voting for them. It's party above all else these days. It's keep the power with your party at all else.

It's the majority will of the people in Florida that you must blame. DeSantis is simply the RESULT of the wants and ecpectations of the voting public! (The legislators too!)

Sorry, this narrative doesn't work no matter how much you lap it up.

Ron's repeated "We the people..." nonsense is just trying to drone that into people and if that worked for you... seek help. People voted for individuals, and the vast majority vote on party lines... not topical. Just because someone voted GOP doesn't mean they voted for these actions or necessarily support them.

 

[lazyboy97o]

It's to avoid the "in perpetuity" issue. I thought it was a master stroke on Disney's part. May Princess Lilibet be prolific.

The clause only applies to descendants alive at the time it was signed.

 

[LAKid53]

The clause only applies to descendants alive at the time it was signed.

You're correct. 21 years after her death. May she live as long as her great grandmother.

 

[Dranth]

It's the majority will of the people in Florida that you must blame. DeSantis is simply the RESULT of the wants and ecpectations of the voting public! (The legislators too!)

Much like another bill he signed recently that has a whopping 25% approval rating in Florida? Was that also the "will of the people"?

 

[GoofGoof]

Even if the new board had the same powers as the old board, they couldn't operate with political impunity. If they did try to exert their will over Disney, they would have to answer to the will of the people at the next election for governor. Their meddling in Disney's business would have been a major campaign issue that Disney would use to get a pro-Disney governor elected.

I think the bigger concern with that was always that the people of Florida didn't have a problem with government intervention into Disney's actions.

Yeah, it doesn’t work that way. When elected you don’t get to just do whatever you want (and claim it’s the will of the people) and the only repercussion is the people can vote you out next election. If left unchecked by laws and the courts the new board would absolutely operate with political impunity at the will of the Governor. That’s unacceptable for a day let alone almost 4 years.

 

[Cliff]

Buhaha. No, they are acting as needed to stay in the favor of their party in the legislature. You think they all magically independently all come up with the same talking points? By pure coincidence?



Buhaha... so naive. You know why they vote together? Because they don't bite the hand that feeds them! You want that endorsement and stumping for your campaign? You sell yourself to the party line. You want that nomination spot? You sell yourself to the party line. You want that committee seat? You align to the party leadership. You want the votes for your agenda? You sell yourself on the votes the party wants no matter what.

These are not individuals acting on behalf of their local electorate - These are people acting to represent their PARTY. Feeling their party was empowered by someone voting for them. It's party above all else these days. It's keep the power with your party at all else.


Sorry, this narrative doesn't work no matter how much you lap it up.

Ron's repeated "We the people..." nonsense is just trying to drone that into people and if that worked for you... seek help. People voted for individuals, and the vast majority vote on party lines... not topical. Just because someone voted GOP doesn't mean they voted for these actions or necessarily support them.

You could make the argument that DeSantis first election win was a fluke or accident. Ok....you can then say the his second election win with a STRONG vote majority margin was just a "coincidence" or "dumb luck". But you cant say that the majority of Florida's legislators being of the same party was just another odd coincidence!

Agree or disagree with Florida's voters....I get that it might be hard to accept...but the votes for these people show a CLEAR thought-pattern of the majoroty of Florida voters.

There isn't "one" DeSantis in Florida State government....there are HUNDREDS of them. Each one put there by the people.

Math does not lie....

 

[flynnibus]

You could make the argument that DeSantis first election win was a fluke or accident. Ok....you can then say the his second election win with a STRONG vote majority margin was just a "coincidence" or "dumb luck". But you cant say that the majority of Florida's legislators being of the same party was just another odd coincidence!

Correct - because the topic was not DeSantis getting elected... but how legislators were voting on bills. Stick to the topic.

And check your ballot - RCID was not a ballot initiative back then or ever...

Agree or disagree with Florida's voters....I get that it might be hard to accept...but the votes for these people show a CLEAR thought-pattern of the majoroty of Florida voters.

Based on what? Back up your claim. Show any claim that the majority of florida voters are for what was in HB9 or what the district board is doing now.

Just voting GOP doesn't equate to this
Just voting DeSantis doesn't equate to this

So put down the kool aid and come back with some actual credible arguments.

 

[el_super]

Yeah, it doesn’t work that way. When elected you don’t get to just do whatever you want

That was *exactly* my point.

If left unchecked by laws and the courts the new board would absolutely operate with political impunity at the will of the Governor. That’s unacceptable for a day let alone almost 4 years.

This statement completely contradicts your first.

Do you feel that there are no political consequences for actions taken by political appointees or do you feel in this specific insance, the electorate would reward those actions with re-election?

 

[lentesta]

Can someone with access to a legal database tell me if either:

• US Trust Co vs New Jersey (1977) -or-
• Allied Structural Steel vs Spannaus (1978)

have been superseded?

ETA: Both were SCOTUS cases in which the state tried to invalidate a contract. In US Trust the state was a party to the contract.

SCOTUS said (I'm summarizing):

• Courts should use strict scrutiny when evaluating the state's claims
• The state has to list the specific thing to which it's objecting
• The state must use the least-disruptive means necessary to resolve the objection

That ... does not seem to be happening in the Florida legislation out today.

 

[Chip Chipperson]

You could make the argument that DeSantis first election win was a fluke or accident. Ok....you can then say the his second election win with a STRONG vote majority margin was just a "coincidence" or "dumb luck". But you cant say that the majority of Florida's legislators being of the same party was just another odd coincidence!

Agree or disagree with Florida's voters....I get that it might be hard to accept...but the votes for these people show a CLEAR thought-pattern of the majoroty of Florida voters.

There isn't "one" DeSantis in Florida State government....there are HUNDREDS of them. Each one put there by the people.

Math does not lie....

And math doesn't override the Constitution.

 

[Serpico Jones]

I still can’t believe it’s gotten to this point and cooler heads didn’t prevail.

 

[danlb_2000]

I still can’t believe it’s gotten to this point and cooler heads didn’t prevail.

Cooler heads could prevail if this was about solving an actual problem that they could come to an agreement over.

 

[GrumpyFan]

Can someone with access to a legal database tell me if either:

• US Trust Co vs New Jersey (1977) -or-
• Allied Structural Steel vs Spannaus (1978)

have been superseded?

ETA: Both were SCOTUS cases in which the state tried to invalidate a contract to which it was a party.

SCOTUS said (I'm summarizing):

• Courts should use strict scrutiny when evaluating the state's claims
• The state has to list the specific thing to which it's objecting
• The state must use the least-disruptive means necessary to resolve the objection

That ... does not seem to be happening in the Florida legislation out today.

Question is if Disney will sue to stop any of this, or just let it ride?
They've played their cards very smartly and close to the vest.
I would LOVE to be a fly on the wall in their discussions.

 

[GoofGoof]

That was *exactly* my point.



This statement completely contradicts your first.

Do you feel that there are no political consequences for actions taken by political appointees or do you feel in this specific insance, the electorate would reward those actions with re-election?

It doesn’t contradict at all. You said if they do anything wrong then we have to wait 4 years to vote the governor out. I said thats not how it works. There are Federal and State laws that need to be followed and a constitution (also federal and state) so checks and balances. Their only repercussion isn’t to wait 4 years to vote someone different in.

I also don’t agree that because DeSantis won election that everyone who voted for him agrees with this action in this case. It’s a 2 party system so inevitably the majority of people will vote for someone they disagree with a lot of the time. Only the sheep who can’t think for themselves blindly support all the actions of the guy they voted for but that’s a small percent of total voters.

 

[MR.Dis]

So the state will win by further violating home rule and telling the counties and their independently elected property appraisers how much to assess certain properties within their jurisdiction?

I am not an attorney and do not try to be one. It just is that everyone on this board seems so darn sure that Disney is going to win this issue that to give a little balance I posted from a source that is not going along with the consensus on this forum.

 

[Figgy1]

I am not an attorney and do not try to be one. It just is that everyone on this board seems so darn sure that Disney is going to win this issue that to give a little balance I posted from a source that is not going along with the consensus on this forum.

The majority of posters who are lawyers or have worked in Fl government dealing with laws that apply here agree Disney has an excellent chance of winning.