News Reedy Creek Improvement District and the Central Florida Tourism Oversight District

Disstevefan1

Disstevefan1

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MandaM said:
So, Disney never said it. Gotcha. That means accusing them of saying it is the lie. It’s not Disney who’s lying here.
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Well, yes, they never said the exact statement, "It was the will of the people"
But Splash was closed for social justice and social justice is the will of the people, right?
So, although they did not make the exact statement, "will of the people", they indeed close it at the will of the people.

But, yes, they never said those exact words.

Does that make me a liar? Some will say yes, some will say no i suspect ;)

These discussions are fun because no matter what we say here, Disney will do, what they will do.
 
MisterPenguin

MisterPenguin

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sedati said:
Another suspiciously timed message from DeSantis today. Odd how they keep appearing right before Disney shareholder events.
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Disney Glimpses

Disney Glimpses

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Disstevefan1 said:
Well, yes, they never said the exact statement, "It was the will of the people"
But Splash was closed for social justice and social justice is the will of the people, right?
So, although they did not make the exact statement, "will of the people", they indeed close it at the will of the people.

But, yes, they never said those exact words.

Does that make me a liar? Some will say yes, some will say no i suspect ;)

These discussions are fun because no matter what we say here, Disney will do, what they will do.
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I distinctly remember them saying (paraphrasing) that it might not be popular but they have to make decisions that they feel are aligned with their values.
 
Nubs70

Nubs70

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mikejs78 said:
I think you're missing the reason special districts exist. The alternative would be for Orange County (in Disney's case) or Orlando (in Universal's case) being on the hook for building the massive infrastructure needed to run a theme park, and providing municipal services to the theme parks. This would require both a massive investment from the taxpayers of Orange County/Orlando, and massive amounts of red tape from those local governments as well, who don't necessarily have the resources to manage such large projects. The result would be projects that solely benefit one corporation taking years longer, at likely higher cost, and at taxpayer expense.

What special districts do is give the businesses building such large infrastructure that solely benefit them some autonomy over those projects and the permitting/zoning processes around them through officials that they elect, but at their expense, putting the cost burden for such infrastructure on the company instead of the taxpayers. I'm not sure what a better / more appropriate arrangement would be? Counties can't simply bill Disney or Universal for infrastructure - tax law doesn't work like that, especially in Florida.

And I am sorry, no one should be denied the right to vote. Once you start going down that road, you can really go down a slippery slope. (E.g. teachers shouldn't get the right to vote because their unions tell them how to vote, religious people shouldn't get the right to vote because their pastors tell them how to vote etc.). That's a really, really dangerous idea.
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The municipalities could also float bonds. Who would not want invest in a WDW backed muni bond.
 
Sirwalterraleigh

Sirwalterraleigh

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ParentsOf4 said:
It's great that Disney is now fighting back in support of LBGTQ+ rights in Florida. As Iger said, "A company has a right to freedom of speech."

Does this mean he's also going to take a stand in China, where LBGTQ+ violations are much more severe?
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Lol…you’re kidding, right?

Bob gave the central committee an IOU on his Soul…don’t you remember?
 
Disstevefan1

Disstevefan1

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GoofGoof said:
Nah, it was saying that Disney announcing a project was green lit and then later cancelling that project is a lie that some of us disagreed with. I’m sure Disney lies just like any other corporation.
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If they announce something at D23 they know they are not going to deliver, that would be a lie. As a Disney fan I do not want to believe that ever happened.

When they do announce something at D23 in front of MOBS of their most devoted fans and later cancel it, we as Disney fans just shrug it off.

There is never accountability for things they do not deliver or do wrong because we are fans.

I complain a lot, mostly about the prices, but my family and I are still fans.
 
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MandaM

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Disstevefan1 said:
Well, yes, they never said the exact statement, "It was the will of the people"
But Splash was closed for social justice and social justice is the will of the people, right?
So, although they did not make the exact statement, "will of the people", they indeed close it at the will of the people.

But, yes, they never said those exact words.

Does that make me a liar? Some will say yes, some will say no i suspect ;)

These discussions are fun because no matter what we say here, Disney will do, what they will do.
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Yes, you’re 100% lying.

Disney never claimed it was for social justice. Those are your words. They said it aligned with their values and knew it might not be popular with everyone.

Disney also never claimed social justice is the will of the people. I don’t actually know anyone who says that it’s the will of the people, because there are plenty of people who oppose social justice. So that’s something else you made up.

You want to catch Disney in a lie so badly that you’re lying to try to do it. Just admit they never said it and you lied, and move on.
 
peter11435

peter11435

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Disstevefan1 said:
If they announce something at D23 they know they are not going to deliver, that would be a lie. As a Disney fan I do not want to believe that ever happened.

When they do announce something at D23 in front of MOBS of their most devoted fans and later cancel it, we as Disney fans just shrug it off.

There is never accountability for things they do not deliver or do wrong because we are fans.

I complain a lot, mostly about the prices, but my family and I are still fans.
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They didn’t announce anything at D23 they knew they weren’t going to deliver. In the case of the Play pavilion they spent over year working inside and outside the building and actually installed aspects of the project inside the building. It was never a lie. You brought up a the Main Street Theater. That project has construction begin, the parking lot torn up, massive holes dug and utility work beginning before it was cancelled for a couple of reasons. Again, it was not a lie.
 
GoofGoof

GoofGoof

Premium Member
Disstevefan1 said:
If they announce something at D23 they know they are not going to deliver, that would be a lie. As a Disney fan I do not want to believe that ever happened.

When they do announce something at D23 in front of MOBS of their most devoted fans and later cancel it, we as Disney fans just shrug it off.

There is never accountability for things they do not deliver or do wrong because we are fans.

I complain a lot, mostly about the prices, but my family and I are still fans.
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So you are assuming when they announced the Play Pavilion they had no intention of ever building it and were just lying to us? Then they released concept art and added it to the park maps and on construction walls in the parks to continue the lie. I can’t say I know for 100% certainty that’s not true, but it seems highly unlikely. My belief is it was most likely a real project they most likely intended to build. Then Covid happened and delayed it until after the 50th it was slated to be open for and then it got cancelled. Did they announce publicly the minute they knew it was getting cancelled? Probably not. It’s disappointing that they cancelled it, especially since it’s not replaced with some new plan but I don’t feel like they lied about planning to build it in the first place.
 
Disstevefan1

Disstevefan1

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peter11435 said:
They didn’t announce anything at D23 they knew they weren’t going to deliver. In the case of the Play pavilion they spent over year working inside and outside the building and actually installed aspects of the project inside the building. It was never a lie. You brought up a the Main Street Theater. That project has construction begin, the parking lot torn up, massive holes dug and utility work beginning before it was cancelled for a couple of reasons. Again, it was not a lie.
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Yea, as I said, IF they announced something at D23 they know they are not going to deliver, that would be a lie. I presume they never did that.

They do announce something at D23 in front of MOBS of their most devoted fans and later cancel it, we as Disney fans just shrug it off.

They don't lie, they disappoint.

Not sure which is worse.
 

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