News Reedy Creek Improvement District and the Central Florida Tourism Oversight District

Disstevefan1

Well-Known Member
So you are assuming when they announced the Play Pavilion they had no intention of ever building it and were just lying to us? Then they released concept art and added it to the park maps and on construction walls in the parks to continue the lie. I can’t say I know for 100% certainty that’s not true, but it seems highly unlikely. My belief is it was most likely a real project they most likely intended to build. Then Covid happened and delayed it until after the 50th it was slated to be open for and then it got cancelled. Did they announce publicly the minute they knew it was getting cancelled? Probably not. It’s disappointing that they cancelled it, especially since it’s not replaced with some new plan but I don’t feel like they lied about planning to build it in the first place.
Nope.

I said, IF they announced something at D23 they know they are not going to deliver, that would be a lie. I presume they never did that.

They do announce something at D23 in front of MOBS of their most devoted fans and later cancel it, we as Disney fans just shrug it off.

They don't lie, they disappoint.

Not sure which is worse.
 

Sirwalterraleigh

Premium Member
Yea, as I said, IF they announced something at D23 they know they are not going to deliver, that would be a lie. I presume they never did that.

They do announce something at D23 in front of MOBS of their most devoted fans and later cancel it, we as Disney fans just shrug it off.

They don't lie, they disappoint.

Not sure which is worse.
I think it’s both

I can think of at least 4 things in the last 5-6 years that never happened.
 

JoeCamel

Well-Known Member
I think it’s both

I can think of at least 4 things in the last 5-6 years that never happened.
I think they are in the business of putting on a show so every two years they hold a money generating event for their fans and want them to leave happy so they tell them happy things. If you ever thought the D23 was an earnings call with all the guardrails they have then you probably believe wrestling is a real competition.
 

Sirwalterraleigh

Premium Member
Yes, you’re 100% lying.

Disney never claimed it was for social justice. Those are your words. They said it aligned with their values and knew it might not be popular with everyone.

Disney also never claimed social justice is the will of the people. I don’t actually know anyone who says that it’s the will of the people, because there are plenty of people who oppose social justice. So that’s something else you made up.

You want to catch Disney in a lie so badly that you’re lying to try to do it. Just admit they never said it and you lied, and move on.
Woah, there cowpoke…
…we don’t need any trouble in this saloon 🤠
 

Sirwalterraleigh

Premium Member
I think they are in the business of putting on a show so every two years they hold a money generating event for their fans and want them to leave happy so they tell them happy things. If you ever thought the D23 was an earnings call with all the guardrails they have then you probably believe wrestling is a real competition.
Well…you got that one figured out 👍🏻
 

Lilofan

Well-Known Member
Saying Disney lies was not your problem. Listing things as lies that weren’t lies was the problem. Combined with repeatedly saying things that weren’t true. Otherwise known as lies.
And with the followers lining up to drink the Kool Aid to believe the lies as truth.
 

Disstevefan1

Well-Known Member
I think they are in the business of putting on a show so every two years they hold a money generating event for their fans and want them to leave happy so they tell them happy things. If you ever thought the D23 was an earnings call with all the guardrails they have then you probably believe wrestling is a real competition.
Don’t ever say wrestling was fake directly TO a professional wrestler. You’ll get you @$$ kicked.

In truth the matches are scripted, as they know who is supposed to win the match, but they are skilled athletes.

As for D23, going forward I will think of it as the Wrestlemaina of Disney events.

Because we know Disney doesn’t intentionally lie, it’s all part of the script.
 

hopemax

Well-Known Member
Okay. One last time. That is more than disagreeing but promising to actively use your resources to oppose the State of Florida - the very state that created the RCID legislation to begin with. Legislators were like, "WTH?" Anyway, this is where we are now.

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This sounds like Disney should "kiss the pinky ring" and shut up. Which makes sense if one believes that supreme authority and giver of rights lies with an entity or state. Certainly around the world, those places where it works that way exist, but in this country, we decided supreme authority lies with the people whose rights exist, naturally, by the Creator. Our government exists to make sure those Natural Rights are acknowledged and protected from abuses by others who wish to deny them. We periodically select people to be the enforcers of these rights, and over the course of our history some of those people have been better at it than others. RCID was created because of the need to balance the rights of the property owner of these land parcels with the rights of the people of FL, and to do it effectively and efficiently. And as has been pointed out in the previous posts, there were many benefits to the people of FL. However, "created" is sort of the wrong word to use for what the state did, as it implies that something didn't exist before. Land use, taxation and the disagreements surrounding those has existed forever. This was a novel way to *address* these timeless issues. Out of necessity, given the scope of the project and the ability of state & local entities to fulfill their responsibilities. Also previously mentioned, heralded and adopted elsewhere because of how successful a framework it turned out to be. The state of FL continues to have the same type of responsibilities. No entity should be expected to give the state leeway in 2023 when they disregard their responsibilities, because of actions taken in 1967 to face and deal with them.
 

JoeCamel

Well-Known Member
Don’t ever say wrestling was fake directly TO a professional wrestler. You’ll get you @$$ kicked.

In truth the matches are scripted, as they know who is supposed to win the match, but they are skilled athletes.

As for D23, going forward I will think of it as the Wrestlemaina of Disney events.

Because we know Disney doesn’t intentionally lie, it’s all part of the script.
Why would I say it is fake? Maybe the problem is you don't see nuance and that is why you argue I never did say it was fake.
 

afterabme

Active Member
What more could they possibly legislate?

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A few things could be on the table including items not listed:
Dissolution of cities of Lake Buena Vista and Bay Lake. Dissolving these cities takes an act of the legislature.
Legislation totally dissolves the district, but this one is fraught with tons of issues. From early redemption of issued bonds( debts incurred by the district) or transfer of debt to Orange and Osceola, transfer of municipal services and oversight of roads to Orange and Osceola Counties, and other things. No one wins in this situation.
Remove certain elements of new district legislation? Again, lots of potential issues.

The main issue is if the FL Senate wants to go along or wants to focus on other priorities.
 
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thomas998

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Same applies to the new board. If DeSantis promised the new board anything special in exchange for doing what he asks...
No, the difference is the new board is appointed by the governor where it is expected that a governor will have significant influence on the people they appoint to various roles. Reedy Creek pre-Desantis was technically an independent board that was not supposed to be run by Disney though everyone from the beginning knew that it was. The fact that the state ignored what should have been smacked down doesn't really matter, just like the federal government has been ignoring pot usage for years... until the DEA decided that they wanted some easy money and went in cahoots with a state to use civil asset forfeiture on an armored car. You can't ignore laws simply because they aren't being enforced because you always run the risk of someone deciding to enforce them.
 

Chi84

Premium Member
No, the difference is the new board is appointed by the governor where it is expected that a governor will have significant influence on the people they appoint to various roles. Reedy Creek pre-Desantis was technically an independent board that was not supposed to be run by Disney though everyone from the beginning knew that it was. The fact that the state ignored what should have been smacked down doesn't really matter, just like the federal government has been ignoring pot usage for years... until the DEA decided that they wanted some easy money and went in cahoots with a state to use civil asset forfeiture on an armored car. You can't ignore laws simply because they aren't being enforced because you always run the risk of someone deciding to enforce them.
Doesn’t look like it turned out to be too much of a risk. If the goal was to fix something that was wrong, it may not have been done so incompetently. This is what happens when a politician recklessly tries to misuse political power.
 
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MagicHappens1971

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No, the difference is the new board is appointed by the governor where it is expected that a governor will have significant influence on the people they appoint to various roles. Reedy Creek pre-Desantis was technically an independent board that was not supposed to be run by Disney
How is this true? RCID board was designed to be held by landowners, at the time of it's creation the only landowners were Disney. Disney was still really the only landowner, they just sold/gave those small plots of land to people they chose to serve on the board.
The fact that the state ignored what should have been smacked down doesn't really matter,
The fact is that the state couldn't have cared less about a mutually beneficial agreement. The current Dictator of Florida is using this as a political agenda.
 

peter11435

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No, the difference is the new board is appointed by the governor where it is expected that a governor will have significant influence on the people they appoint to various roles. Reedy Creek pre-Desantis was technically an independent board that was not supposed to be run by Disney though everyone from the beginning knew that it was. The fact that the state ignored what should have been smacked down doesn't really matter, just like the federal government has been ignoring pot usage for years... until the DEA decided that they wanted some easy money and went in cahoots with a state to use civil asset forfeiture on an armored car. You can't ignore laws simply because they aren't being enforced because you always run the risk of someone deciding to enforce them.
There’s so much legally, historically, and factually wrong with this post I don’t even know where to begin.
 

Vegas Disney Fan

Well-Known Member
Speaking at the shareholder meeting, Mr. Iger denounced Mr. DeSantis for moving to restrict Disney’s tax district autonomy — noting that the governor took action only after the company halted political donations in Florida and criticized a contentious state education law.

“A company has a right to freedom of speech just like individuals do,” Mr. Iger said. “The governor got very angry over the position Disney took and seems like he’s decided to retaliate against us, including the naming of a new board to oversee the property, in effect to seek to punish a company for its exercise of a constitutional right. And that just seems really wrong to me.”

“And so our premise is that any action that thwarts those efforts simply to retaliate for a position the company took sounds not just anti-business, but it sounds anti-Florida,” Mr. Iger concluded.

“We’ve recently gotten criticism, as you just expressed, for what some perceive to be agenda-driven content,” Mr. Iger said in response to the latter. “And I’m sensitive to that, actually. Our primary mission needs to be to entertain.”

But he indicated that Disney content would remain inclusive. The company, Mr. Iger said, would continue to tell “age-appropriate” stories “that reflect the world around us and that foster a greater understanding, greater perspective, greater acceptance of all people.”

I know a lot of people don’t like Iger but he is a true wordsmith and a brilliant public speaker.

This is quickly becoming a no win scenario for DeSantis, I wonder if he’ll realize that before it’s too late.
 

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