News Reedy Creek Improvement District and the Central Florida Tourism Oversight District

MisterPenguin

President of Animal Kingdom
Premium Member
But Splash was closed for social justice and social justice is the will of the people, right?
We assume so.

BUT... Disney never officially stated there was anything wrong with Splash Mountain. Instead, they wisely avoiding dissing it and instead just talked about how great PatF would be the new IP.

Even if there weren't race politics involved, there's always people who like something which is going away and are sad it's going away. You don't alienate them be telling them how awful the thing was.

Disney never publicly bashed Harmonious or Disney Enchantment. Nor do they bash any movie to TV show that underperforms. Unless its a meek and passive "mistakes were made."

The closest you can get on record WRT Splash is Iger mentioning years ago in response to a question about releasing SotS from the vault is that the movie was racist and won't be released.

That line was never repeated WRT Splash being rethemed. Only that Tiana being there instead would be great.
 

Stripes

Premium Member
DeSantis and his team keep trying to paint their actions as leveling the playing field with Disney’s competitors and other businesses when in actuality he has appointed an unelected, unaccountable group of cronies to control Disney. It is in fact putting Disney in an unfavorable position compared to their competitors and other businesses.

A state government should not be allowed to have this much control over a business, especially one that owns a national press organization (ABC News). I hope DeSantis sues so that Disney will countersue and get the law struck altogether.
 
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lazyboy97o

Well-Known Member
A few things could be on the table including items not listed:
Dissolution of cities of Lake Buena Vista and Bay Lake. Dissolving these cities takes an act of the legislature.
Legislation totally dissolves the district, but this one is fraught with tons of issues. From early redemption of issued bonds( debts incurred by the district) or transfer of debt to Orange and Osceola, transfer of municipal services and oversight of roads to Orange and Osceola Counties, and other things. No one wins in this situation.
Remove certain elements of new district legislation? Again, lots of potential issues.

The main issue is if the FL Senate wants to go along or wants to focus on other priorities.
None of those things would address the agreements and are the exact sort of thing they hedged against.
 

lazyboy97o

Well-Known Member
So… an empty threat
I don’t think it’s empty. It’s been dragged out and done and secrecy but we have seen follow through on this issue. To me, the most obvious play would be to pass legislation that voids the agreements and possibly even gives the district board more authority. Don’t think it’d be a legal but that’s also my view of the last two pieces of legislation, so I don’t think that’s really an issue.

My view all along has been that this is going to keep escalating. Unless Disney agrees to “compromise” with the new board I think the district and the state will continue to move forward. Instead of one court fight Disney could now be facing 3-4 simultaneous battles.
 

lewisc

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. To me, the most obvious play would be to pass legislation that voids the agreements and possibly even gives the district board more authority. Don’t think it’d be a legal but that’s also my view of the last two pieces of legislation, so I don’t think that’s really an issue
Agreed. Ultimately Emporer Ron will be blaming the courts.
 

Disstevefan1

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Why would I say it is fake? Maybe the problem is you don't see nuance and that is why you argue I never did say it was fake.
I apologize, you did not say it was fake, you implied it was not a "real competition."

Going forward, I will look more closely into the literal, actual words folks use.

It's human nature for folks to split hairs. I understand that.

I really do like your analogy comparing D23 to professional wrestling, no one is lying at D23, they are just following the script. What they announce at D23 is just in the script and we should not hold them to anything they say.
 
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Big_Shakalaka

Well-Known Member
Well played. Giving money to the community to earn some good will in the fight against DeSantis.

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maxairmike

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Given what we just saw with the union negotiations, I'm having trouble believing Disney would spend $250 million of their own money to make the commute of CMs and third-party participants easier.

Just to go back to this; while it is heavily used by CMs, this will be a main entrance for a huge amount of locals in about 5-10 years, maybe less. It would very much benefit Disney to make everyone’s lives easier by a major traffic project here. I think 6 lanes could be overkill, but intersection improvements are greatly needed, especially at BVD and 429. There’s a crash almost every (other) week it seems around the bridge section between the DAK backstage entrance and Coronado, and when that happens traffic does back up as far as 429, and I’ve seen it backed up the WDW arch even without a crash more often than I would expect. There are 4 subdivisions plus two to 4 apartment complexes currently under construction that will all likely utilize Western Way, in addition to about 6+ more developments that are either still building infrastructure or shifting dirt with probably another 400+ homes for each of them, and that’s just in the immediate area of where Western Way is likely to be the main artery not just to reach WDW, but also I-4 (I almost always cut through for the 192, 536, or 535 interchanges, or to go anywhere else south or east of WDW for that matter). Plus consider operational impacts to not having to worry about your busses of CPs constantly being late in waves because the schedule keeps getting delayed by the traffic on their one route into the property.

I expect that the intersection will be changed to somewhat resemble a much more compact version of the I-4 and 429 interchange based on the cost of the project, and that would also make the most sense to alleviate the main traffic impacts, especially if there’s no expected future development to the south of the intersection that could use it more effectively than another spot for access. Small ramps with 25mph design speeds can likely be compact enough, I expect.

EDIT: And that’s just the backups on Western Way. In the afternoons BVD is regularly backed up to the World Drive bridge, and so many tourists don’t realize the right turn lane onto Western doesn’t require a stop. And then Western Way also can back up as far as the Coronado backstage entrance/exit from 429.
 
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JoeCamel

Well-Known Member
Just to go back to this; while it is heavily used by CMs, this will be a main entrance for a huge amount of locals in about 5-10 years, maybe less. It would very much benefit Disney to make everyone’s lives easier by a major traffic project here. I think 6 lanes could be overkill, but intersection improvements are greatly needed, especially at BVD and 429. There’s a crash almost every (other) week it seems around the bridge section between the DAK backstage entrance and Coronado, and when that happens traffic does back up as far as 429, and I’ve seen it backed up the WDW arch even without a crash more often than I would expect. There are 4 subdivisions plus two to 4 apartment complexes currently under construction that will all likely utilize Western Way, in addition to about 6+ more developments that are either still building infrastructure or shifting dirt with probably another 400+ homes for each of them, and that’s just in the immediate area of where Western Way is likely to be the main artery not just to reach WDW, but also I-4 (I almost always cut through for the 192, 536, or 535 interchanges, or to go anywhere else south or east of WDW for that matter). Plus consider operational impacts to not having to worry about your busses of CPs constantly being late in waves because the schedule keeps getting delayed by the traffic on their one route into the property.

I expect that the intersection will be changed to somewhat resemble a much more compact version of the I-4 and 429 interchange based on the cost of the project, and that would also make the most sense to alleviate the main traffic impacts, especially if there’s no expected future development to the south of the intersection that could use it more effectively than another spot for access. Small ramps with 25mph design speeds can likely be compact enough, I expect.
But what about Sherbeth? That needs work
 

maxairmike

Well-Known Member
But what about Sherbeth? That needs work
Absolutely yes, but I believe a good amount of that traffic could shift over to Western Way when the connections west to US27 are completed, as it would probably be more convenient even for DAK cast going to either north or south US27 (although definitely more north) to use that access. Avalon could also be a more convenient option for south US27 when the connection of Westside all the way from 192 to Champions Gate is completed.
 

Smiley/OCD

Well-Known Member
I know a lot of people don’t like Iger but he is a true wordsmith and a brilliant public speaker.

This is quickly becoming a no win scenario for DeSantis, I wonder if he’ll realize that before it’s too late.
As a New Jerseyan, Chris Christy had Bridgegate that ruined his presidential aspirations and DeSantis will have Mousegate…only time will tell…
 

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