News Reedy Creek Improvement District and the Central Florida Tourism Oversight District

[MagicHappens1971]

“There’s a lot of little back-and-forths going on now with the state taking control, but rest assured, you know, you ain’t seen nothing yet.” “There’s more to come in that regard.”

He is digging a grave for himself. Why has no one stopped him from continually going on record saying that he and his administration intentionally and basically lodged a hostile takeover of a private company.

 

[lazyboy97o]

Can the attorney general even ask for these documents? Disney only made a deal with Reedy Creek, and now the CFTOD.

As stated, this is right now a public records request. Any of us could make such a request. Beyond that, the attorney general can open an investigation and seek court orders and warrants for non-public documents if there is probable cause that they contain evidence of a crime. That would likely result in litigation over whether anything is privileged but that’s par the course.

 

[kong1802]

Guys, I already have “BUt CAliFoRnia” marked off my card. Please help me by using other deflections. Thanks in advance!

 

[Riviera Rita]

They are not being punished for exercising their first amendment rights. Both red states and blue states confer and take away privileges to/from companies they like or don't like. Happens all the time but you don't recognize that in this case because you either love Disney that much and/or agree with their far-left politics.

Disney can continue to advocate for whatever they want, but the state of Florida has decided that they don't want to give special deals to companies that advocate against the laws and values of their state, just like how CA is not going to give special deals to companies that are against their state's laws and values. If the voters or Florida were actually fooled and don't want this, they can elect a Democrat next election.

When you make claims about Disney's 'far left politics' I think we can dismiss your comments as that term is meant as an insult by you and is actually not even factual.

 

[lazyboy97o]

Earlier today, DeSantis was in Smyrna, Georgia.

According to CNN, DeSantis is quoted as saying the following about Disney:

“There’s a lot of little back-and-forths going on now with the state taking control, but rest assured, you know, you ain’t seen nothing yet.” “There’s more to come in that regard.”

What happened to just giving DeSantis something he could call a win and it would end all of this?

 

[Disney Glimpses]

What happened to just giving DeSantis something he could call a win and it would end all of this?

I have a feeling he's falling into a trap but we'll see.

 

[kong1802]

Unfortunately for those wanting to beat Disney, they now have to go through this guy:

 

[Dranth]

I didn't say anything about taxes but okay. Clearly Disney is enjoying a benefit from retaining control or they wouldn't be pulling these legal shenanigans to keep that control. If I wanted to engage in arguments with people who post in bad faith, I'd just go back to Reddit.

Plus for all I keep hearing about how great and highly paid Disney's lawyers are, how are they in a situation where they pay twice the taxes? Either they are dullards or this doesn't pass the smell test.

Okay, if you don't understand why Disney wanted to and volunteered to be taxed above and beyond the norm then it is you who is not arguing in good faith. Read up on the district, what it does and how it works or for that matter the other 800 plus Florida special districts that preform similar functions that include additional taxes for the people in those districts.

In almost every case, with some special exceptions, it is because the people in the special district wanted to create one to collect additional taxes to use for public projects above and beyond what the local counties provided or in place of local county services so they could have quicker/better public works.

 

[Chi84]

They are not being punished for exercising their first amendment rights. Both red states and blue states confer and take away privileges to/from companies they like or don't like. Happens all the time but you don't recognize that in this case because you either love Disney that much and/or agree with their far-left politics.

Disney can continue to advocate for whatever they want, but the state of Florida has decided that they don't want to give special deals to companies that advocate against the laws and values of their state, just like how CA is not going to give special deals to companies that are against their state's laws and values. If the voters or Florida were actually fooled and don't want this, they can elect a Democrat next election.

The state can't use its authority to enact laws to punish people or organizations for exercising their first amendment rights. It was DeSantis who said he was using the power of the state to retaliate for Disney's opposition to a particular law. Corporations can be favored or disfavored for any number of valid reasons, but the government in this country cannot use its power to punish political speech.

 

[lazyboy97o]

They absolutely are being punished for exercising their first amendment rights. Everyone involved at the state level has made that abundantly clear.

The arguments in defense of the state are:

“They’re lying and that’s not actually why they’re doing this.”

“Something done in public beforehand means it was done afterwards in secret.”

 

[disneyC97]

He’s good at talking tough. We will see what they will try.

He’s also reportedly good at eating pudding with 3 fingers.

 

[lazyboy97o]

Plus for all I keep hearing about how great and highly paid Disney's lawyers are, how are they in a situation where they pay twice the taxes? Either they are dullards or this doesn't pass the smell test.

The existing portion of Universal Orlando Resort is taxed extra at their request. They’ve recently asked for their new property to be taxed more. This isn’t actually hard to figure out.

 

[Spokker]

The Governor and his cronies have explicitly stated they planned to remove RCID as retaliation for what Disney said. They quite literally are being punished for exercising their first amendment rights. Dissolving RCID is a disadvantage to the taxpayers of Florida, more specifically Osceola/Orange county.

Dissolving all special districts would have been completely different, they purposely chose RCID to punish Disney.

Unfortunately I cannot effectively argue my position as the word filter/automod set up on this discussion forum is way too strict. I thought it would be different from Reddit but everywhere is pretty much the same now.



Take care, everyone. Sadly there are few places to really discuss issues on the Internet anymore.

 

[Figgy1]

Unfortunately I cannot effectively argue my position as the word filter/automod set up on this discussion forum is way too strict. I thought it would be different from Reddit but everywhere is pretty much the same now.



Take care, everyone. Sadly there are few places to really discuss issues on the Internet anymore.

The only auto mod around here is the inability to post naughty words

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[AugieJ]

Unfortunately I cannot effectively argue my position as the word filter/automod set up on this discussion forum is way too strict. I thought it would be different from Reddit but everywhere is pretty much the same now.



Take care, everyone. Sadly there are few places to really discuss issues on the Internet anymore.

I have seldom posted here but have been a daily reader for 7 years...

Can't help but to speak here....

All the items you discussed in your censored post do not legislate against a singular company. That is the fallacy of "the other side has done this".

While examples might occur, nothing you tried to site above is similar to the explicit retaliation to Disney that DeSantis stated on numerous occasions.

 

[Riviera Rita]

Unfortunately I cannot effectively argue my position as the word filter/automod set up on this discussion forum is way too strict. I thought it would be different from Reddit but everywhere is pretty much the same now.



Take care, everyone. Sadly there are few places to really discuss issues on the Internet anyanymore.

Enough already, you need to save your energy for complaining about what is currently happening in New York and your position on that.

 

[GladToBeHear]

A lot of us don't seem to understand the first amendment. Disney's freedom of speech was not violated. The First Amendment simply blocks federal and state governments from abridging or preventing expression. It does not protect anyone from the whims of the political (or social) systems in which they reside. The consequences of their speech still adhere to the speakers. Right or wrong, we see states do this all the time. I don't want to speak for @Spokker, but I assume this is one of his points.

You can disagree with the actions the Florida governor/legislature are taking against Disney -- I'm personally still on the fence about it myself -- but let's stop using the first amendment argument.

 

[MagicHappens1971]

A lot of us don't seem to understand the first amendment. Disney's freedom of speech was not violated. The First Amendment simply blocks federal and state governments from abridging or preventing expression. It does not protect anyone from the whims of the political (or social) systems in which they reside. The consequences of their speech still adhere to the speakers. Right or wrong, we see states do this all the time. I don't want to speak for @Spokker, but I assume this is one of his points.

You can disagree with the actions the Florida governor/legislature are taking against Disney -- I'm personally still on the fence about it myself -- but let's stop using the first amendment argument.

That's your choice to believe it. But it's not true. The FL legislature/gov violated Disney's first amendment rights. Even if the argument could be said that they didn't, they have repetitively and continually stated on the record that they attacked RCID to punish Disney for speaking out against the Don't Say Gay bill.

 

[peter11435]

A lot of us don't seem to understand the first amendment. Disney's freedom of speech was not violated. The First Amendment simply blocks federal and state governments from abridging or preventing expression. It does not protect anyone from the whims of the political (or social) systems in which they reside. The consequences of their speech still adhere to the speakers. Right or wrong, we see states do this all the time. I don't want to speak for @Spokker, but I assume this is one of his points.

You can disagree with the actions the Florida governor/legislature are taking against Disney -- I'm personally still on the fence about it myself -- but let's stop using the first amendment argument.

You’re right about one thing. Some us do not understand the first amendment. Your post here clearly shows that you do not understand the first amendment.

 

[GladToBeHear]

He’s good at talking tough. We will see what they will try.

So far, he has delivered. And the citizens of Florida seem to agree. But yes, we will see.