News Reedy Creek Improvement District and the Central Florida Tourism Oversight District

[mightynine]

Serious legal question.

Since a Chapter 163 Development Agreement is based on a Florida statute, can't the Florida state legislature undo any agreement created by RCID by passing an ex post facto law?

For example, something along the lines of:

"Notwithstanding s. 163.3202, any independent special district established by a special act prior to the date of ratification of the Florida Constitution on November 5, 1968, shall not enter into a developer's agreement until reestablished, re-ratified, or otherwise reconstituted by a special act or general law after November 5, 27 1968."

Although U.S. Constitution (Article 1, Section 10, clause 1) prohibits states from passing ex post facto laws, the Supreme Court ruled in Calder v. Bull that this only applies to criminal matters.

But RCID technically still exists, right? The Per Diem Posse is just a layer of red tape over it, correct?

 

[Disney Glimpses]

 

[kong1802]

Someone is throwing a temper tantrum

 

[LittleBuford]

LOL, I'm not wading into the dumpster fire this thread is any deeper, but you know as well as I do that if the new board had signed an agreement that included this clause, and used an innocent, multi-racial child who has nothing whatsoever to do with the situation as a legal object like Disney did, there would be widespread moral outrage accusing it of being a virulently racist, imperialist, white supremacist fantasy affront to society that could incite violence against marginalized groups, taking advantage of our antiquated legal system and held up as an example of systemic racism.

You claim you're not wading further into the dumpster fire, yet you're perfectly happy to add fuel to it with this far-fetched nonsense. It's rather ironic that you're accusing Disney of exploiting "an innocent, multi-racial child" when you're the one using her to make your partisan point.

 

[MisterPenguin]

That's like asking for records proving that someone is trying to find out what deductions to take on one's taxes before April 15th rolls around so they can legally pay less taxes.

It's not illegal to avoid negative consequences of new laws. This isn't conspiracy to commit a crime.

 

[MagicHappens1971]

Can the attorney general even ask for these documents? Disney only made a deal with Reedy Creek, and now the CFTOD.

 

[kong1802]

That's like asking for records proving that someone is trying to find out what deductions to take on one's taxes before April 15th rolls around so they can legally pay less taxes.

It's not illegal to avoid negative consequences of new laws. This isn't conspiracy to commit a crime.

Plus you know this move was already anticipated by what now must be recognized as the superior legal team.

 

[DCBaker]

Can the attorney general even ask for these documents? Disney only made a deal with Reedy Creek, and now the CFTOD.

It's a Public Records request -

 

[GladToBeHear]

Serious legal question.

Since a Chapter 163 Development Agreement is based on a Florida statute, can't the Florida state legislature undo any agreement created by RCID by passing an ex post facto law?

For example, something along the lines of:

"Notwithstanding s. 163.3202, any independent special district established by a special act prior to the date of ratification of the Florida Constitution on November 5, 1968, shall not enter into a developer's agreement until reestablished, re-ratified, or otherwise reconstituted by a special act or general law after November 5, 27 1968."

Although U.S. Constitution (Article 1, Section 10, clause 1) prohibits states from passing ex post facto laws, the Supreme Court ruled in Calder v. Bull that this only applies to criminal matters.

Not a lawyer. But this is what I assume is going to happen.

 

[kong1802]

It's a Public Records request -

Perhaps they want to find out how it came about so they can learn how to do their jobs better.

 

[MisterPenguin]

Can the attorney general even ask for these documents? Disney only made a deal with Reedy Creek, and now the CFTOD.

Disney:

If you're going to accuse us of a crime, then as part of defending ourselves with *discovery*, please have the executive and legislative branch hand over all documents concerning attacking Disney and abolishing the RCID.​

 

[DLR92]

Bravo Disney, show DeSantis how stupid he is!

 

[Spokker]

That benefit comes from paying twice the taxes because the county taxes -- that WDW does indeed pay -- does not come back to them in services and infrastructure provided by the county. WDW pays a second tax on top of that to the RCID in order to get the services and infrastructure they need.

I didn't say anything about taxes but okay. Clearly Disney is enjoying a benefit from retaining control or they wouldn't be pulling these legal shenanigans to keep that control. If I wanted to engage in arguments with people who post in bad faith, I'd just go back to Reddit.

Plus for all I keep hearing about how great and highly paid Disney's lawyers are, how are they in a situation where they pay twice the taxes? Either they are dullards or this doesn't pass the smell test.

 

[MisterPenguin]

I didn't say anything about taxes but okay. Clearly Disney is enjoying a benefit from retaining control or they wouldn't be pulling these legal shenanigans to keep that control. If I wanted to engage in arguments with people who post in bad faith, I'd just go back to Reddit.

They're "pulling these legal shenanigans" in defense of a state takeover seeking to punish Disney from exercising their First Amendment rights.

 

[Spokker]

They're "pulling these legal shenanigans" in defense of a state takeover seeking to punish Disney from exercising their First Amendment rights.

They are not being punished for exercising their first amendment rights. Both red states and blue states confer and take away privileges to/from companies they like or don't like. Happens all the time but you don't recognize that in this case because you either love Disney that much and/or agree with their far-left politics.

Disney can continue to advocate for whatever they want, but the state of Florida has decided that they don't want to give special deals to companies that advocate against the laws and values of their state, just like how CA is not going to give special deals to companies that are against their state's laws and values. If the voters or Florida were actually fooled and don't want this, they can elect a Democrat next election.

 

[Dranth]

Disney:

If you're going to accuse us of a crime, then as part of defending ourselves with *discovery*, please have the executive and legislative branch hand over all documents concerning attacking Disney and abolishing the RCID.​

This is exactly what I was thinking. There is already one organization that has been caught with their pants down due to the discovery process that was initiated because they couldn’t' stop running their mouth.

 

[MagicHappens1971]

They are not being punished for exercising their first amendment rights. Both red states and blue states confer and take away privileges to/from companies they like or don't like. Happens all the time but you don't see it in this case because you either love Disney that much and/or agree with their far-left politics.

The Governor and his cronies have explicitly stated they planned to remove RCID as retaliation for what Disney said. They quite literally are being punished for exercising their first amendment rights. Dissolving RCID is a disadvantage to the taxpayers of Florida, more specifically Osceola/Orange county.

Dissolving all special districts would have been completely different, they purposely chose RCID to punish Disney.

 

[kong1802]

Earlier today, DeSantis was in Smyrna, Georgia, not far from where I live.

According to CNN, DeSantis is quoted as saying the following about Disney:

“There’s a lot of little back-and-forths going on now with the state taking control, but rest assured, you know, you ain’t seen nothing yet.” “There’s more to come in that regard.”

He’s good at talking tough. We will see what they will try.

 

[peter11435]

I didn't say anything about taxes but okay. Clearly Disney is enjoying a benefit from retaining control or they wouldn't be pulling these legal shenanigans to keep that control. If I wanted to engage in arguments with people who post in bad faith, I'd just go back to Reddit.

Plus for all I keep hearing about how great and highly paid Disney's lawyers are, how are they in a situation where they pay twice the taxes? Either they are dullards or this doesn't pass the smell test.

As I said earlier. Please start at page 1. I would also recommend reading Married to the Mouse. There’s a lot about the district and how and why it exists and operates that you need to learn.

 

[peter11435]

They are not being punished for exercising their first amendment rights. Both red states and blue states confer and take away privileges to/from companies they like or don't like. Happens all the time but you don't recognize that in this case because you either love Disney that much and/or agree with their far-left politics.

Disney can continue to advocate for whatever they want, but the state of Florida has decided that they don't want to give special deals to companies that advocate against the laws and values of their state, just like how CA is not going to give special deals to companies that are against their state's laws and values. If the voters or Florida were actually fooled and don't want this, they can elect a Democrat next election.

They absolutely are being punished for exercising their first amendment rights. Everyone involved at the state level has made that abundantly clear.