News Reedy Creek Improvement District and the Central Florida Tourism Oversight District

[LAKid53]

The counties and the state don’t necessarily have the same taxing authority granted to the District

The ONLY way to achieve this under existing Florida law is... to create a special district. I cannot fathom that not a single legislator sitting on the Finance & Tax committee, or a staff member, didn't realize this.

This is what happens when you rush through legislation.

 

[LAKid53]

This whole issue exists because of hastily written legislation. The legislature already determined that proper dissolution would be a long and technical process.

Yes, it does. But it takes 10 minutes to write a bill repealing the bill from the 2022 session. If anyone had the courage to do so.

 

[flynnibus]

No longer being aggressive is not a concession. Even if conceding is in Disney’s best interest and the best way forward, it is not a situation of mutual concession and we should not portray it as such. If you believe Disney making concessions is the best choice then own, don’t hide behind pretending it is something else.

You are arguing worthless semantics. Disney can’t pretend that the outside world and attackers don’t exist.

They can defeat them headon… and spend lots and risk many things. Win the moral victory but risk losing the war.

Or

They can defuse them through appeasement and send the aggressors back home.

Pick the word you want… no one is trying to redefine the table by using the simple word of ‘compromise’

 

[UNCgolf]

They can defuse them through appeasement and send the aggressors back home.

This has not historically worked out very well long-term.

 

[lazyboy97o]

The ONLY way to achieve this under existing Florida law is... to create a special district. I cannot fathom that not a single legislator sitting on the Finance & Tax committee, or a staff member, didn't realize this.

This is what happens when you rush through legislation.

Which runs into the issue of unanimous consent required for new districts.

 

[LAKid53]

You are arguing worthless semantics. Disney can’t pretend that the outside world and attackers don’t exist.

They can defeat them headon… and spend lots and risk many things. Win the moral victory but risk losing the war.

Or

They can defuse them through appeasement and send the aggressors back home.

Pick the word you want… no one is trying to redefine the table by using the simple word of ‘compromise’

This is ludicrous. What are your suggestions for Disney to appease a governor and complicit state legislature? Give up something that other private entities operating utilities have a legal right to do? That's a dangerous precedent and I would hope lawyers advising TWDC counsel them not to.

 

[lazyboy97o]

You are arguing worthless semantics. Disney can’t pretend that the outside world and attackers don’t exist.

They can defeat them headon… and spend lots and risk many things. Win the moral victory but risk losing the war.

Or

They can defuse them through appeasement and send the aggressors back home.

Pick the word you want… no one is trying to redefine the table by using the simple word of ‘compromise’

If it is worthless there wouldn’t be this pushback from you and others. Compromise describes something very different that is far more positive.

 

[flynnibus]

This is ludicrous. What are your suggestions for Disney to appease a governor and complicit state legislator? Give up something that other private entities operating utilities have a legal right to do? That's a dangerous precedent and I would hope lawyers advising TWDC counsel them not to.

Give up something that you have zero interest in doing…

You know like … when they give up the right to develop some land in exchange for something else they want.

You act line giving up the right to run this utility is attacking their fundamental rights. No, its just some authority they were granted 50 plus years ago they have no interest in anymore. No one has this right fundamentally- it’s a regulated space.

 

[flynnibus]

If it is worthless there wouldn’t be this pushback from you and others. Compromise describes something very different that is far more positive.

Ehh.., you were the one pushing back on the words use. I’m simply calling your retort petty and pedantic because I know you’ll keep trying to make that point forever going forward every time the word is used… trying to make the use into something else.

See ‘free dme’ whatever

 

[lazyboy97o]

Give up something that you have zero interest in doing…

You know like … when they give up the right to develop some land in exchange for something else they want.

You act line giving up the right to run this utility is attacking their fundamental rights. No, its just some authority they were granted 50 plus years ago they have no interest in anymore. No one has this right fundamentally- it’s a regulated space.

Where does Florida law individually prescribe which electricity providers are allowed to utilize nuclear power? This would not be something unique being taken back, it would be a general allowance being individually restricted.

 

[flynnibus]

Where does Florida law individually prescribe which electricity providers are allowed to utilize nuclear power? This would not be something unique being taken back, it would be a general allowance being individually restricted.

Where in Florida law does it say every citizen has the constitutional right to be a public electrical provider ?

 

[flynnibus]

They won’t forbid nuclear power - just strike the explicit language in the act about it.

The they would be on the same footing as every one else.

That’s all they want… to be able to say ghey took away their special stuff… no kne is actively campaigning to ban nuke power here. Stop taking the points so literal and look at the obvious path… the language in the act that creates lightning rods.

 

[lazyboy97o]

Where in Florida law does it say every citizen has the constitutional right to be a public electrical provider ?

That’s not answering the question. Electricity in Florida is generally provided by private companies. So yes, anybody could start their own electric company to provide services, and that company would be allowed to operate a nuclear power plant. If I could put together the capital to take FPL private I could do that and I would own a couple of nuclear power plants.

 

[flynnibus]

That’s not answering the question. Electricity in Florida is generally provided by private companies. So yes, anybody could start their own electric company to provide services, and that company would be allowed to operate a nuclear power plant. If I could put together the capital to take FPL private I could do that and I would own a couple of nuclear power plants.

Not without the government’s approval. Utilities are regulated.

This is only about walking back a blanket grant of authority that was specifically written into the act. You remove that… and you go back to the very self fulfilling rights you believe already exist

 

[lazyboy97o]

Not without the government’s approval. Utilities are regulated.

This is only about walking back a blanket grant of authority that was specifically written into the act. You remove that… and you go back to the very self fulfilling rights you believe already exist

The District is not exempt from state regulation. The authority to operate a nuclear power plant was not a blanket pre-approval.

 

[flynnibus]

The District is not exempt from state regulation. The authority to operate a nuclear power plant was not a blanket pre-approval.

Again your entire argument is predicated on the assumption that rcid would be modified to explicitly prohibit nuclear power — instead of the much simplier choice of simply striking the language that refers to it in the act.

Come back in june and see which way they went.

Hell even if rcid did agree to an ban… who thinks they really care? What probability is there that they would even entertain the idea in the next 50yrs?

It’s not like this is right is an asset that makes them more attractive to someone… the entity can not be an asset to sell.

“Hey rcid, you agree to not build a space port? Sure… don’t need one, don’t want one”

 

[GoofGoof]

More news outlets are reporting that a deal to essentially walk back the legislature's previous actions and leave RCID with only minor changes is in the works.

Florida may reverse decision on Disneyâs Reedy Creek District: report

Florida lawmakers are working on a plan that could resolve the conflict that developed between Gov. DeSantis and the Walt Disney Company.

www.foxbusiness.com

Yep, this is all over in multiple places. Here is another:

Florida Republicans Expected to Reverse Decision Stripping Disney of Autonomy over Walt Disney World Property

Florida lawmakers are reportedly preparing to reverse their decision to strip Disney of its authority over the state's Reedy Creek Improvement District.

www.yahoo.com

According to this article lawmakers want to reverse course but the Governor is pushing back so it may not be a done deal yet but I’m optimistic a deal gets done. Remember that getting the political donations flowing again is a big motivation….especially for more local politicians who depend on them.

 

[JoeCamel]

Yep, this is all over in multiple places. Here is another:

Florida Republicans Expected to Reverse Decision Stripping Disney of Autonomy over Walt Disney World Property

Florida lawmakers are reportedly preparing to reverse their decision to strip Disney of its authority over the state's Reedy Creek Improvement District.

www.yahoo.com

According to this article lawmakers want to reverse course but the Governor is pushing back so it may not be a done deal yet but I’m optimistic a deal gets done. Remember that getting the political donations flowing again is a big motivation….especially for more local politicians who depend on them.

Imagine that....

 

[CaptainMickey]

According to this article lawmakers want to reverse course but the Governor is pushing back so it may not be a done deal yet but I’m optimistic a deal gets done. Remember that getting the political donations flowing again is a big motivation….especially for more local politicians who depend on them.

I feel like RCID gets worked out, Lake Nona moves forward with lots of new jobs, and Disney starts contributing to Florida politicians again. It all gets worked out behind closed doors, and everyone can claim they won!

 

[GoofGoof]

Universal paid $160 million as part of an agreement for the extension. The project was planned long before Epic was conceived but funding didn't exist

My point still stands no matter how much Universal paid. The county is still footing part of the bill. When Disney added new overpasses near the Magic Kingdom local individual taxpayers paid zero for that. So if RCID gets dissolved it’s inevitable that local taxpayers would pay a portion of the cost of new road and infrastructure for WDW which would be a shame to see. RCID is a great deal for local taxpayers.