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[Roy G. Dis]

You are correct that this is unconstitutional. The problem is political retaliation against a politician or government power is not unconstitutional. And this is technically legislation against Reedy Creek, not TWDC. This is a good read about this nuance:

Tentative Thoughts on the Florida Repeal of Disney's Special Government District

The Florida Legislature has voted to repeal a statute that created a special government district (the Reedy Creek Improvement District) that it had set up

reason.com

I was skeptical of the source but some good commentary in there. I will say it's not a good sign for Desantis when he can't get libertarians on board with his actions.

 

[AdventureHasAName]

Bob Iger got blasted pretty good last night on Fox News. Getting ripped apart in front of millions of viewers is a tough way to begin your retirement.

He deserves it.

 

[Roy G. Dis]

Bob Chapek is not an elected official, he’s the CEO of a media conglomerate. Disagreeing with the bill is one thing but threatening to use the conglomerate’s power to stop the bill crosses a line. His statement was too forceful and frankly ridiculous.

Corporations are people (just ask about this one lol). People are allowed to speak without fear of retaliation from the Government. The Florida government is..the Government. You are literally advocating that Disney shut up less the government punish them for their speech.

 

[DisneyDebRob]

What line? It’s not illegal. It’s protected by the first amendment. And it’s exactly how government is supposed to work.

Thank you for responding to that earlier post. I just got back and was reading through and ready to type the same thing.

 

[AdventureHasAName]

You’re city being mismanaged is not relevant.

It is to me.

The local jurisdictions aren’t taking two years to issue building permits. You can go look up permits right now and see how long they are taking. Sesame Street Land was designed, permitted and built in about 18 months.

Great, then Disney isn't being punished by having to go to Orange County for permit approval.

 

[DisneyDebRob]

Wouldn’t it be hilarious if Reedy Creek Energy Services bought St Lucie? They dissolved the District and Disney actually gets a nuclear power plant.

Make it a ride…Goofy’s Screaming Steaming Smokestack Coaster. Only with Lightning Lane.

 

[flynnibus]

Disney can't leave. If they could leave, they would have left Anaheim a long time ago. They can't.

You mean like disney moving thousands of wokers out of cali? Or not building a third gate until they get what they want?

Disney can’t move like a mobile home but they can certainly move investment and footprint

 

[AdventureHasAName]

I offered this hypothetical forty pages ago and, despite the majority of the thread participants seemingly having clerked with the U.S. Supreme Court, nobody challenged it. I find this very hard to believe. So I will offer it again ...

HYPOTHETICAL: "Sparkle" is a monthly children's magazine that consists almost entirely of educational cartoon stories about animals. New Jersey loves that Sparkle was created by someone (Jill Johnson) who lives in NJ (born and raised) and most of the cartoon animal stories are set in a fictional town in NJ. Miss Johnson owns 100% of Sparkle, a NJ corporation. To promote Sparkle, New Jersey's state government offers Sparkle a tax break to maintain its office of five people in Newark, New Jersey. Five years later, 100% of Sparkle is purchased by Kevin Kelly. Mr. Kelly is a proud member of the KKK and often wears Klan robes as he walks around the streets of New Jersey. Sparkle immediately begins publishing cartoon animal stories that include LGBTQ characters that are shunned by the other characters. These LGBTQ characters are portrayed as poor, dirty, smelly, dumb, etc. Simultaneously, Sparkle begins publishing editorials at the front of the magazine about how NJ's government is harming "normal" kids by promoting non-binary gender identity. Several state government officials publicly state Sparkle is no longer welcome in New Jersey, including the governor. The New Jersey state legislature votes to remove Sparkle's tax break.

QUESTION: Has New Jersey violated Sparkle's 1st Amendment rights?

The answer to this question is the answer to whether or not Florida is in violation of Disney's free speech rights and whether or not this RCID-dissolution bill is legal.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

It’s not a claim when it’s true. There is a math problem in the new textbook in Florida that is a statistical evaluation with racism as the subject matter. It give statistics of how “racist” you are given your political view.

Well, sheeet…let’s burn that sucker, huh?!?

 

[peter11435]

It is to me.


Great, then Disney isn't being punished by having to go to Orange County for permit approval.

It’s relevant to you but not relevant to this discussion. If it’s as bad as you claim then as a concerned citizen you should pull a Chapek and tell them you’re going to fight to fix it.

Permitting is one of thousands of issues here. The overall issue is that the government passed a law with the stated purpose of harming a company because they didn’t like something that company did. And now they claiming they are going to increase Disney’s taxes. The government can’t increase you taxes because they don’t like something you said or didn’t say.

 

[Virtual Toad]

Overstepping it's bounds? It's not like the political left tried to force 100,000,000 American workers at private companies and an additional 4,000,000 federal employees and 5,000,000 contractors to receive a vaccine, potentially against their will. Do you forget how they forced private landlords to let rent-delinquent tenants stay on their property in perpetuity until the SCOTUS had to stop them not once, but twice?

I normally bite my tongue on these things, but surely you're smart enough to realize that the political left isn't some innocent baby in the race to authoritarianism in this country. In fact, I'd argue they're ahead of the pack.

The cases you cite are policies enacted in the midst of a deadly global pandemic unprecedented in modern times. Those policies, which were not a power grab but an effort to protect the public health and welfare, were challenged and ruled upon in accordance with the rule of law. The current situation we are citing involves a state government willfully, deliberately and cynically punishing fellow Americans who did nothing more than exercise their constitutional rights. So not remotely the same.

 

[Brian]

I offered this hypothetical forty pages ago and, despite the majority of the thread participants seemingly having clerked with the U.S. Supreme Court, nobody challenged it. I find this very hard to believe. So I will offer it again ...

HYPOTHETICAL: "Sparkle" is a monthly children's magazine that consists almost entirely of educational cartoon stories about animals. New Jersey loves that Sparkle was created by someone (Jill Johnson) who lives in NJ (born and raised) and most of the cartoon animal stories are set in a fictional town in NJ. Miss Johnson owns 100% of Sparkle, a NJ corporation. To promote Sparkle, New Jersey's state government offers Sparkle a tax break to maintain its office of five people in Newark, New Jersey. Five years later, 100% of Sparkle is purchased by Kevin Kelly. Mr. Kelly is a proud member of the KKK and often wears Klan robes as he walks around the streets of New Jersey. Sparkle immediately begins publishing cartoon animal stories that include LGBTQ characters that are shunned by the other characters. These LGBTQ characters are portrayed as poor, dirty, smelly, dumb, etc. Simultaneously, Sparkle begins publishing editorials at the front of the magazine about how NJ's government is harming "normal" kids by promoting non-binary gender identity. Several state government officials publicly state Sparkle is no longer welcome in New Jersey, including the governor. The New Jersey state legislature votes to remove Sparkle's tax break.

QUESTION: Has New Jersey violated Sparkle's 1st Amendment rights?

The answer to this question is the answer to whether or not Florida is in violation of Disney's free speech rights and whether or not this RCID-dissolution bill is legal.

Yes, New Jersey has violated Sparkle's 1A rights. Free speech by corporations and individuals alike is not limited to whether or not the party in charge finds the speech to be palatable.

Frankly, I hate the fact that Disney has embraced the agenda it has, but you can bet that I am defending it's right to do so. You can't just defend free speech when said speech is in alignment with what you find agreeable; there won't be any left by the time your speech comes under attack.

 

[lazyboy97o]

It is to me.

You’re inability to properly file for a building permit has nothing to do with the subject of this thread.

Great, then Disney isn't being punished by having to go to Orange County for permit approval.

Once again, for the hundredth time, that some things aren’t a punishment doesn’t mean it is not in any way punitive or being done for punitive reasons. Incompetence doesn’t permit improper actions.

 

[Brian]

The cases you cite are policies enacted in the midst of a deadly global pandemic unprecedented in modern times. Those policies, which were not a power grab but an effort to protect the public health and welfare, were challenged and ruled upon in accordance with the rule of law. The current situation we are citing involves a state government willfully, deliberately and cynically punishing fellow Americans who did nothing more than exercise their constitutional rights. And boasting about it afterwards. So not remotely the same.

I'd argue that trying to force a vaccine into someone under threat of losing their income, and therefore their home and the ability to feed themselves and their family, is worse than a petty political argument with one of the world's most powerful and influential companies.

Both are bad, by the way. One is worse, in my opinion. You're welcome to your own, of course.

 

[englanddg]

Make it a ride…Goofy’s Screaming Steaming Smokestack Coaster. Only with Lightning Lane.

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Will the merch glow in the dark?

 

[EricsBiscuit]

every person has every right to not only threaten to get a law repealed but to actively work towards that end.

Why not give specifics? Which taxes does Disney not pay? Why are those who applaud this so unwilling to talk specifics?

If you can’t see how Disney unfairly being able to tax itself artificially lowers their tax bill, then your agenda has blinded you.

Wouldn‘t a free market capitalist want to see the people vote with their wallets and stop buying products from Disney vs having the government step in? Isn’t Laissez-faire a core economic philosophy of free-market capitalism that opposes government intervention? Somewhere Ronald Reagan is rolling over in his grave. Then again if he was still alive he’d be labeled a RINO and probably would be sanctioned by the RNC. Strange world we live in today.

Yes because free market capitalists believe in granting special privileges to only a few corporations and not everyone! Right!

Some of are also upset that elected officials who have sworn to uphold and defend the Constitution are violating that oath and abusing their power by punishing others for constitutionally protected free speech.

Ah, now the left cares about free speech when there’s pushback against their agenda! While on one hand they attack Elon Musk for trying to make Twitter a platform for free speech with no censorship, they simultaneously defend Disney’s ability to support teaching 5 year olds about pansexualism! Truly a case of the left hand not knowing what the right hand is doing I guess!

 

[AdventureHasAName]

Permitting is one of thousands of issues here.

It's the primary issue. It's the reason RCID exists.

 

[flynnibus]

I offered this hypothetical forty pages ago and, despite the majority of the thread participants seemingly having clerked with the U.S. Supreme Court, nobody challenged it. I find this very hard to believe.

Because you are wrong on that too…. Go back and read again.

News - Reedy Creek Improvement District and the Central Florida Tourism Oversight District

Pack the castle up.. move it somewhere you're talking about $100 billion + move to do a watered-down version of the existing WDW

forums.wdwmagic.com

 

[AdventureHasAName]

Yes, New Jersey has violated Sparkle's 1A rights. Free speech by corporations and individuals alike is not limited to whether or not the party in charge finds the speech to be palatable.

Frankly, I hate the fact that Disney has embraced the agenda it has, but you can bet that I am defending it's right to do so. You can't just defend free speech when said speech is in alignment with what you find agreeable; there won't be any left by the time your speech comes under attack.

So the state of NJ must subsidize Sparkle's anti-LGBTQ Klan editorials every month forever? That's your understanding of 1st Amendment law?

 

[peter11435]

I offered this hypothetical forty pages ago and, despite the majority of the thread participants seemingly having clerked with the U.S. Supreme Court, nobody challenged it. I find this very hard to believe. So I will offer it again ...

HYPOTHETICAL: "Sparkle" is a monthly children's magazine that consists almost entirely of educational cartoon stories about animals. New Jersey loves that Sparkle was created by someone (Jill Johnson) who lives in NJ (born and raised) and most of the cartoon animal stories are set in a fictional town in NJ. Miss Johnson owns 100% of Sparkle, a NJ corporation. To promote Sparkle, New Jersey's state government offers Sparkle a tax break to maintain its office of five people in Newark, New Jersey. Five years later, 100% of Sparkle is purchased by Kevin Kelly. Mr. Kelly is a proud member of the KKK and often wears Klan robes as he walks around the streets of New Jersey. Sparkle immediately begins publishing cartoon animal stories that include LGBTQ characters that are shunned by the other characters. These LGBTQ characters are portrayed as poor, dirty, smelly, dumb, etc. Simultaneously, Sparkle begins publishing editorials at the front of the magazine about how NJ's government is harming "normal" kids by promoting non-binary gender identity. Several state government officials publicly state Sparkle is no longer welcome in New Jersey, including the governor. The New Jersey state legislature votes to remove Sparkle's tax break.

QUESTION: Has New Jersey violated Sparkle's 1st Amendment rights?

The answer to this question is the answer to whether or not Florida is in violation of Disney's free speech rights and whether or not this RCID-dissolution bill is legal.

The supreme court has repeatedly ruled that even what we might consider hate speech is protected by the first amendment.