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flynnibus

Premium Member
If that's the case, are the counties just taking those taxes and using them on streets, schools, sanitation, parks, public spaces, police etc for everyone outside of RCID?
Property taxes are usually made up of several elements so its not uncommon for the total rate to differ for different payers. And general property taxes usually fund the general fund and are not segmented to only fund certain projects. It’s the main revenue source for counties.

So that disney pays for roads elsewhere due to paying county property taxes is just status quo
 

Tha Realest

Well-Known Member
A bit off topic but ever since the shutdown Disney hasn't been the same. The majority of the other amusement park/theme parks have gone about their business like normal. Many are putting in major additions yearly, doing things to draw back guests. Compare that to Disney with the added upcharges, cuts and nickel and diming. It's like they want that lost money instantly.

Now add in this issue and I don't understand what's going on with Disney
It’s not off topic. A lot on here and elsewhere are saying that the next move is (or ought to be) a winding down of park operations in FL. As some have pointed out, how is that any different from the course they’ve been on the last two years? What new, exciting, grand projects are in the queue, ready to break ground? Nada. Point being, if they cut operations, or dialed back on future E-tickets…how’s that any different from the status quo that existed prior to the “Don’t Say Gay”/RCID brouhaha?
 

chrisvee

Well-Known Member
Considering Disney contributed to DeSantis and almost all of the sponsors of the bill they clearly had no problem with it while the checks were being cashed.
one could almost infer this is a tactic to get political contributions flowing again while scoring some culture wars points

the question is will Disney cave?
 

DC0703

Well-Known Member
What is so controversial about the law? I live in Florida and I have read it. This law has ABSOLULY nothing to do with LGBT community. It has been totally misrepresented period. I stand behind the bill 100% and all of my friends and gay family members do. Disney should have stayed out of a dually elected law that is very popular with wide bipartisan support. Disney has every right to voice their opinion and disagree with this law but they went a step farther to say they were going to try and overturn it. It didn't set well with a lot of Floridians.
“Classroom instruction by school personnel or third parties on sexual orientation or gender identity may not occur in kindergarten through grade 3 or in a manner that is not age appropriate or developmentally appropriate for students in accordance with state standards.”

Yeah, nothing to do with LGBT community at all... right...

And then giving parents the ability to sue if they disagree with the appropriateness of the teaching... which of course they do not specify in terms of what is appropriate or not, leaving a nice and wide open umbrella for anything to fall under the banner of inappropriate.

Then let's reflect on the fact that more than a dozen copycat bills have been proposed nation-wide, and that there has been a sharp uptick in discriminatory attitudes against LGBT people as a result of all of the discussion.

I also love how every time a person promotes something that discriminates against gay people, they always trot out the "family" and "friends" that supposedly agree. I've seen this for decades. "My brother is gay and he thinks marriage should be between a man and a woman" or "my best friend is gay and she totally agrees that workplaces should have the right to fire people for being gay..." Based on people like this, you'd swear that most gay people are against equal rights for the LGBT community. It's a very transparent ploy.
 

lazyboy97o

Well-Known Member
It does cross the line, but not a legal one. He had every legal right to say what he wanted. But just because you have the right to do or say something does mean you SHOULD do it.

The line it crossed was good business practice, Chapek represents a giant company and his main priority is to do the best he can for that company, its employees and stockholders. He could have still made his point clear without threatening the law was passed by a very large margin of the elected officials in FL.

Chapek threatened to overturn a law - The FL govt threatened to overturn a law. Just saying,
every person has every right to not only threaten to get a law repealed but to actively work towards that end.
The people who are angry that Disney is losing their fiefdom which saves them millions, per the WSJ, aren’t exactly free market capitalists. What they’re really angry about is that corporations will now think twice about injecting woke ideology into their businesses because they know there will be pushback.
Why not give specifics? Which taxes does Disney not pay? Why are those who applaud this so unwilling to talk specifics?
 

GoofGoof

Premium Member
Given the dynamics of the districts, many of those races are decided during the primary. For a GOP primary voter, clearly voting against Disney matters more than their donations. I think you’re overestimating Disney’s ability to change the composition of the state legislature. Besides, Chapek announced Disney was halting all political donations.
Disney said they were halting all political donations before one party launched an attack against the company. I wouldn’t expect that to continue. Disney may or may not be able to influence future elections through political contributions but none of the people who sponsored this bill turned down their donations in the past. They used them to get elected.

Local elections don’t get the influx of cash that larger national elections do so those contributions matter a lot more. If this conflict continues I would not discount the long term impact. Again, DeSantis and most of the others supporting this will be long gone so they don’t care but it will have long term impacts.
 

Sirwalterraleigh

Premium Member
But the Universal property was a former superfund site.
So would wdw have been if it was bought after RCRA/superfund


That was a fantastic thing for the development of universal. Federal dollars out the whazoo

Disney had to maintain/cleanup that stuff out of their own pocket before the rules were even fully written.

(In my post Disney life…this is my wheelhouse. Environmental engineering/architecture/construction design and management)
 

GoofGoof

Premium Member
The people who are angry that Disney is losing their fiefdom which saves them millions, per the WSJ, aren’t exactly free market capitalists. What they’re really angry about is that corporations will now think twice about injecting woke ideology into their businesses because they know there will be pushback.
Wouldn‘t a free market capitalist want to see the people vote with their wallets and stop buying products from Disney vs having the government step in? Isn’t Laissez-faire a core economic philosophy of free-market capitalism that opposes government intervention? Somewhere Ronald Reagan is rolling over in his grave. Then again if he was still alive he’d be labeled a RINO and probably would be sanctioned by the RNC. Strange world we live in today.
 

BWV2013

Member
A bit off topic but ever since the shutdown Disney hasn't been the same. The majority of the other amusement park/theme parks have gone about their business like normal. Many are putting in major additions yearly, doing things to draw back guests. Compare that to Disney with the added upcharges, cuts and nickel and diming. It's like they want that lost money instantly.

Now add in this issue and I don't understand what's going on with Disney
Very good point,

I'm going to WDW in a couple of weeks to visit some friends who work there. They have said that many Disney cast members have been very unhappy about where the company has been going for a while now. There has been a series of bad decisions. by upper management.
 

Tha Realest

Well-Known Member
Disney said they were halting all political donations before one party launched an attack against the company. I wouldn’t expect that to continue. Disney may or may not be able to influence future elections through political contributions but none of the people who sponsored this bill turned down their donations in the past. They used them to get elected.

Local elections don’t get the influx of cash that larger national elections do so those contributions matter a lot more. If this conflict continues I would not discount the long term impact. Again, DeSantis and most of the others supporting this will be long gone so they don’t care but it will have long term impacts.
You’re entitled to your opinion, of course. But for historical purposes, here’s the trajectory of state control since 1992. Note who’s controlled the state for the last 20+ years. if anything, the most enduring impact will likely be that opposing Disney will become the equivalent to being pro-gun and pro-life in a contested primary. Nice going Chapek!
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Sirwalterraleigh

Premium Member
You’re entitled to your opinion, of course. But for historical purposes, here’s the trajectory of state control since 1992. Note who’s controlled the state for the last 20+ years. if anything, the most enduring impact will likely be that opposing Disney will become the equivalent to being pro-gun and pro-life in a contested primary. Nice going Chapek!View attachment 634948View attachment 634949View attachment 634950
That’s just kinda indicates where the pendulum will go from here. Politics 101.
 

Dranth

Well-Known Member
It does cross the line, but not a legal one. He had every legal right to say what he wanted. But just because you have the right to do or say something does mean you SHOULD do it.

The line it crossed was good business practice, Chapek represents a giant company and his main priority is to do the best he can for that company, its employees and stockholders. He could have still made his point clear without threatening the law was passed by a very large margin of the elected officials in FL.

Chapek threatened to overturn a law - The FL govt threatened to overturn a law. Just saying,
Maybe so, but Disney has the law on their side on this one if they can show it was done as retaliation. Also, they aren’t equivalent. One is a private entity who says they are going to support groups trying to fight and overturn a law, which is a protected act. The other is the actual government who is expressly forbidden from doing exactly what they just did.

Now, that doesn’t mean I think it will get overturned in court. It should because we all know exactly why this was done but that’s no guarantee.

Who knows, maybe Disney won’t even fight it and just work behind the scenes to slowly change the political landscape down there. Maybe they will move nearly all future investments out of Florida until they get a legislature they can work with. None of us really know but it will be interesting to watch.
 

BWV2013

Member
It does cross the line, but not a legal one. He had every legal right to say what he wanted. But just because you have the right to do or say something does mean you SHOULD do it.

The line it crossed was good business practice, Chapek represents a giant company and his main priority is to do the best he can for that company, its employees and stockholders. He could have still made his point clear without threatening the law was passed by a very large margin of the elected officials in FL.

Chapek threatened to overturn a law - The FL govt threatened to overturn a law. Just saying,
every person has every right to not only threaten to get a law repealed but to actively work towards that end.
Yes, you are helping me make my point. "Every Person" including the FL elected officials, and they did it.
 

GoofGoof

Premium Member
You’re entitled to your opinion, of course. But for historical purposes, here’s the trajectory of state control since 1992. Note who’s controlled the state for the last 20+ years. if anything, the most enduring impact will likely be that opposing Disney will become the equivalent to being pro-gun and pro-life in a contested primary. Nice going Chapek!View attachment 634948View attachment 634949View attachment 634950
Again, my point is a large number of those Rs got political contributions from the mouse. You can’t just ignore that. If it’s no big deal than why are they so upset about it? Why the need to retaliate?
 

GoofGoof

Premium Member
Yes, you are helping me make my point. "Every Person" including the FL elected officials, and they did it.
They have every right as people to vocally oppose Disney for not backing the bill. Using the power you were given by the people to attempt to silence a dissenter is not right. Free speech protects people from government suppression. It doesn’t protect the government from criticism.
 

networkpro

Well-Known Member
In the Parks
Yes
Maybe so, but Disney has the law on their side on this one if they can show it was done as retaliation. Also, they aren’t equivalent. One is a private entity who says they are going to support groups trying to fight and overturn a law, which is a protected act. The other is the actual government who is expressly forbidden from doing exactly what they just did.

Now, that doesn’t mean I think it will get overturned in court. It should because we all know exactly why this was done but that’s no guarantee.

Who knows, maybe Disney won’t even fight it and just work behind the scenes to slowly change the political landscape down there. Maybe they will move nearly all future investments out of Florida until they get a legislature they can work with. None of us really know but it will be interesting to watch.

But to where ? They've poisoned all the current wells they have a foothold in.
 

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