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MR.Dis

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The governor was the only one ever benefiting from all of this and he's obviously decided that's no longer the case. His statement about moving on is clear legalese for "let the settlement negotiations begin." I wouldn't be surprised if it was already happening.
Yes this should be happening. As pointed out on various other threads, Mr Igor has his hands full of problems. This is something that has really gone too far. Make a settlement and move on. And anyone who believes that one side will definitely win has not paid attention how no sure thing happens when the courts get involved.
 
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mmascari

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If Disney wins in federal court the new board is gone.
This was in the context of a settlement instead of a court verdict. The state cannot really settle the case with Disney though. The legislature could pass a new law making the current court case irrelevant. That's not really the two parties agreeing to a settlement though. It's certainly not the two opposing legal teams agreeing to a compromise. If we include Disney (maybe with help from the state lawyers) lobbying the state legislature to pass that new law and what it looks like, maybe that's a settlement path. But, it's nothing like any other settlement negations in any normal court case. The state lawyers don't really have any negotiating leverage to bring about a settlement instead of complete the outcome in court.

If Disney wins in federal court, nothing else really matters anymore.

My guess is if Disney wins in federal court there will be a settlement that includes dropping the state litigation in exchange for Disney concessions regarding the composition of the board. No one will ever hear the terms.
If Disney wins in federal court, the board will change back to what it was. Any other change to the composition of the board that is not "revert back because the law that changed it wasn't legal" and "keep the current" would require a new law being passed to change it. Everyone will know what is in the new law, even if they don't know how that content was lobbied for.

It would. I’m assuming the legislature won’t be hostile to Disney now that the governor has “moved on.”
They'll all have to "move on", meaning completely reverse their prior positions. Not the "move on" that means Disney just gives up and accepts the new situation.
 

Sirwalterraleigh

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It's easy to say just settle when you're not the party which has had your rights egregiously tramped on.

Any concession by Disney just enables this type of behaviour moving forward. Accepting a "compromise" is still a loss if you lost something while the other side gained something.
I agree…

But how do you quantity a “win” in this case?

This isn’t exactly a fender bender in the parking lot…

The goofballs brought to light alot of things about Disneys Florida arrangement they never really talked about. The fact they ran with and lied for Money and attention probably doesn’t matter. In reality.

If it was a “bubble” and it burst…not sure you can pretend it’s still a possibility?
 

Chi84

Premium Member
This was in the context of a settlement instead of a court verdict. The state cannot really settle the case with Disney though. The legislature could pass a new law making the current court case irrelevant. That's not really the two parties agreeing to a settlement though. It's certainly not the two opposing legal teams agreeing to a compromise. If we include Disney (maybe with help from the state lawyers) lobbying the state legislature to pass that new law and what it looks like, maybe that's a settlement path. But, it's nothing like any other settlement negations in any normal court case. The state lawyers don't really have any negotiating leverage to bring about a settlement instead of complete the outcome in court.

If Disney wins in federal court, nothing else really matters anymore.


If Disney wins in federal court, the board will change back to what it was. Any other change to the composition of the board that is not "revert back because the law that changed it wasn't legal" and "keep the current" would require a new law being passed to change it. Everyone will know what is in the new law, even if they don't know how that content was lobbied for.


They'll all have to "move on", meaning completely reverse their prior positions. Not the "move on" that means Disney just gives up and accepts the new situation.
So no settlement then? I guess we’ll have to wait to find out.
 

lazyboy97o

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The governor was the only one ever benefiting from all of this and he's obviously decided that's no longer the case. His statement about moving on is clear legalese for "let the settlement negotiations begin." I wouldn't be surprised if it was already happening.
The way he settles is by calling a special session of the legislature for the specific purpose of making changes. That’s just brings the issue back into the spotlight which is the exact opposite of what he wants. “Moving on” seems to me to be more “I’m no longer bringing this up and stop asking about it because it’s not playing well”.
 

drnilescrane

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The way he settles is by calling a special session of the legislature for the specific purpose of making changes. That’s just brings the issue back into the spotlight which is the exact opposite of what he wants. “Moving on” seems to me to be more “I’m no longer bringing this up and stop asking about it because it’s not playing well”.
Which isn't going to work when Disney are blasting their filed motions out to every single media outlet (under embargo too, so they have their articles ready to go the moment it drops in PACER).
 

Wendy Pleakley

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The way he settles is by calling a special session of the legislature for the specific purpose of making changes. That’s just brings the issue back into the spotlight which is the exact opposite of what he wants. “Moving on” seems to me to be more “I’m no longer bringing this up and stop asking about it because it’s not playing well”.

He's painted himself into a corner where his only way to have a "victory" is if the courts all rule in his favour.

Any public "compromise" with Disney is going to look weak. Any court loss will just re-emphasize how ill advised this was.
 

mmascari

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  • CFTOD drops the state suit, re-ratifies the development agreement and covenants
The lawyers for the two cases at least have the ability to do this.

  • CFTOD board remains as-is and pledges to work more with Disney
This one feels like wishful thinking. The governor could agree to appoint new board members with Disney input, but even that is still sketchy on value.

  • Disney drops its lawsuit with option to refile
The lawyers for Disney at least have the ability to do this.

  • Things stay that way until 2027, when the legislature quietly redoes the charter and creates a compromise situation of some kind (e.g. Governor appoints the board, but Disney has to ratify it, the counties choose, a 50/50 split between the governor/Disney, something like that).
This one feels even more wishful than the first. None of the legal teams involved have any leverage at all to convince the legislature to pass a new law.

All combined, that leaves the compromise settlement as Disney giving up everything and hoping the governor treats them nicely until some new one can convince the legislature to pass new laws. Is that the definition of a hope and a prayer being the solution?

It's easy to say just settle when you're not the party which has had your rights egregiously tramped on.
Most settlement compromises result in both sides getting something and giving up something. Since it's never been clear what the State's goal is here beyond punishing Disney. It's also unclear what the compromise would be? Punish Disney less isn't really a compromise.
 

flynnibus

Premium Member
It's easy to say just settle when you're not the party which has had your rights egregiously tramped on.

Any concession by Disney just enables this type of behaviour moving forward. Accepting a "compromise" is still a loss if you lost something while the other side gained something.

Correct - but that's why it's called 'compromise' and not 'winning' - it's by definition about a blend. And sometimes 'winning' is in itself a scorched earth policy that isn't desirable.

Disney has already been signaling they don't really want this fight.
 

mmascari

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So no settlement then? I guess we’ll have to wait to find out.
I assume not.

Unless someone can suggest how a settlement would work mechanically.

I'm clearly not a lawyer, but I don't see any way for any settlement to impact the current conditions. No matter the goal of the settlement, whatever compromise the parties can agree to that satisfies both of them. If there's no way to actually create the outcome, there's no point to it at all.

That all of this was created through an act of law really complicates the entire process and limits what is possible without another act of law.
 

pdude81

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The best result for all parties at this point is for Disney to win in court. Then those with political and fundraising motivations can say they did their best to fight for what they believe is correct, and some other boogeyman pulled the football at the last second. Then Disney gets back RCID as it both sides can sleep at night.

The only possibility of a settlement would be the "U-turn" that was reported on last year where things of no importance are stripped out, and RCID gets re-established under the current Florida constitution with the same nuclear bond language. I don't see that making sense at this point given where this all ended up.
 

tissandtully

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"I think that the skirmish they got in with these young kids."

What does this mean?? And no one challenges him on this??

I'm still unsure of what he is talking about, can someone explain what young kids and skirmish is all about? Was Disney running a kid fight club? Or is this like some sort of pedo dog whistle?
 
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Sirwalterraleigh

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The way he settles is by calling a special session of the legislature for the specific purpose of making changes. That’s just brings the issue back into the spotlight which is the exact opposite of what he wants. “Moving on” seems to me to be more “I’m no longer bringing this up and stop asking about it because it’s not playing well”.
The laws were changed…hammered through with predictable little thought

If Disneys legal army - which is quite large - is doing the logical thing…they really can’t “let it go”

This could comeback at anytime. That’s the fallout here. The fact this governor is done and will be fighting Marco Rubio for his seat shortly doesn’t “fix” anything.

Disney can’t really let it “stand” on promises.
 

Surferboy567

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I’m starting to believe the best course of action is to let the case play out and let the board continue to make themselves look like fools. Disney gets what they want by torpedoing the board and states public image making Disney look more favorable in court. Eventually when it gets taken to the federal level everything goes back to the way it was. Why risk a settlement when the outcome from a federal court win is more desirable.

The only thing that worries me here is that they lose the state court which I can unfortunately see happening. I think however, they can definitely prevail in federal court. Another issue is that if the board becomes more hostile they could make changes that could wreck the daily operations of WDW. Disney could of course just add that to their lawsuit. The damage could already be done by then though.
 

lazyboy97o

Well-Known Member
Disney gets what they want by torpedoing the board and states public image making Disney look more favorable in court.
The court should not be adjudicating based on public image.
Eventually when it gets taken to the federal level everything goes back to the way it was.
It’s already at the federal level.
The only thing that worries me here is that they lose the state court which I can unfortunately see happening. I think however, they can definitely prevail in federal court.
Why is this worrying? This scenario would still return the situation to the status quo ante.
 

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