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[Figgy1]

Also what was with the wonder works lady…

What did I miss?

 

[lazyboy97o]

Can they just “do“ this without Disney’s approval? How would something like this even work? I imagine this could be added to the suit and also highlights the need for an injunction.

Yes they get to manage the affairs of the District as they decide.

Again, a temporary injunction is to prevent harms likely to occur in the very near term and which cannot be easily remedied after the fact. Disney and/or the cities covering a bill can be remedied later.

 

[afterabme]

Will be interesting to watch what happens to the utilities. Disney just posted a position for a job opening on their utilities team that work with the district on the district owned utility systems.

Planner at DISNEY

Learn more about and apply for the Planner job at DISNEY here.

jobs.disneycareers.com

 

[castlecake2.0]

What did I miss?

I don’t even know how to explain it, go watch the livestream on YouTube she was the second public comment

 

[mkt]

And here we have another insane amicus brief from our friend at the Galaxy Bar Association.

 

[mmascari]

Who responds is a different topic vs "Is that just a lawless intersection?" - The law of the city, county, state all still apply, and the state and county still have jurisdiction to enforce their laws.

They're related though. The whole thing is a huge social contract that we all agree too, mostly.

Something being against the law only matters if someone actually enforces that law. If nobody enforces it, only the social contract of everyone following it volunteerily is left to enforce it. Depending on the thing they'll turn out differently with no enforcement or even with who steps in to enforce it.

With no district and no municipality funding and servicing the area, and the county not wanting to provide services for free since they are not budgeted and set up to provide them. What's enforced will become murky.

If someone were to go on a violent rampage in Disney Springs, I'm sure the county police force would respond. Funding or not, they're not going to just ignore that.

If someone is driving recklessly or causes a minor accident with no injuries, the stakes are signifigantly lower. The county could easily ignore that.

The effect of a "no turn on red" sign is almost exclusively based on the social contract, with some amount of enforcement encouraging that. Remove that enforcment by not funding it, and the social contrct will decline quickly, as a right on red is legal in many many instances. Likewise, the infraction isn't going to rise to the level that unfunded unplanned police force is going to go out of their way to deal with it.

 

[mkt]

I have no idea how this works but does SeaWorld and Universal pay for their own police presence?

Yes. They pay for off duty officers to patrol - it's easy overtime for them.

The ones at Disney are considered their own sector within OCSO and are regularly scheduled. Same as when municipalities don't have a police department and instead contract with a Sheriff's office for policing within their jurisdiction.

 

[mkt]

Who do you call to create a police report?

I've been in an accident on property.

OCSO doesn't handle it. FHP does (and Disney Security will attempt to as well)

 

[mkt]

It's just another example of getting rid of Disney's laundering of services through the District.

In terms of 'separating' things I don't think it's all that bad nor is it all that materially significant to how anything will actually operate.

I get the tax free money to build the parking garages, but how is paying for OCSO to patrol the district considered "laundering of services", given that Disney was far from the only beneficiary of this.

 

[mkt]

The District contracts with the counties for law enforcement because the cities having their own police departments would be incredibly unpopular.

And an insane liability that Disney does not want. At all.

They'd rather let every shoplifter get away with whatever is in their pocket than have to deal with the fallout of a Disney police officer killing an innocent civilian.

 

[lazyboy97o]

They're related though. The whole thing is a huge social contract that we all agree too, mostly.

Something being against the law only matters if someone actually enforces that law. If nobody enforces it, only the social contract of everyone following it volunteerily is left to enforce it. Depending on the thing they'll turn out differently with no enforcement or even with who steps in to enforce it.

With no district and no municipality funding and servicing the area, and the county not wanting to provide services for free since they are not budgeted and set up to provide them. What's enforced will become murky.

If someone were to go on a violent rampage in Disney Springs, I'm sure the county police force would respond. Funding or not, they're not going to just ignore that.

If someone is driving recklessly or causes a minor accident with no injuries, the stakes are signifigantly lower. The county could easily ignore that.

The effect of a "no turn on red" sign is almost exclusively based on the social contract, with some amount of enforcement encouraging that. Remove that enforcment by not funding it, and the social contrct will decline quickly, as a right on red is legal in many many instances. Likewise, the infraction isn't going to rise to the level that unfunded unplanned police force is going to go out of their way to deal with it.

And that’s just it, Disney isn’t going to want that so they are almost certain to go ahead and pick up the tab. There’s almost no chance they let things deteriorate that far. They don’t want stories about poor police response time or deputies being laid off because Disney isn’t paying.

Thats what makes this such a shrewd move. They figured out a way to stick it to Disney and really only Disney while they also get to crow about lowering taxes and being fiscally responsible.

 

[mmascari]

I've been in an accident on property.

The example wasn't on Disney Property. That was on purpose. Who reponds to two cars that collide in a Disney parking lot could be very different.

OCSO doesn't handle it. FHP does (and Disney Security will attempt to as well)

OCSO?
FHP?

(I'm slow here, lost on who each of those is.)

The root of the question was, is that reponse because of the district contract for services or because of existing reponsibility?
If it's because of the contract, and they elminate the contract, what's the outcome then?

 

[lazyboy97o]

OCSO?
FHP?

Orange County Sheriff’s Office.
Florida Highway Patrol.

 

[flynnibus]

There it is! The District contracts with the counties for law enforcement because the cities having their own police departments would be incredibly unpopular. Disney isn’t going to go without a police presence and that municipal police forces are essentially a non starter. Well played.

They're just getting out of the middle. They'll expect Disney to contract things itself.

Note we haven't seen the budget to see if they are getting out of contracting the counties all together (unlikely) - the quote from Garcia was about OVERTIME spending for police presence at Disney-exclusive properties.

Also have to love that they’re literally “defund[ing] the police” and even calling it waste.

Not what his statement was - nor (to my knowledge) have we seen the actual proposed budget. Am I wrong?

 

[Disstevefan1]

Yes. They pay for off duty officers to patrol - it's easy overtime for them.

The ones at Disney are considered their own sector within OCSO and are regularly scheduled. Same as when municipalities don't have a police department and instead contract with a Sheriff's office for policing within their jurisdiction.

Then it seems to me Disney can simply pay off duty officers going forward?

 

[mkt]

The example wasn't on Disney Property. That was on purpose. Who reponds to two cars that collide in a Disney parking lot could be very different.


OCSO?
FHP?

(I'm slow here, lost on who each of those is.)

The root of the question was, is that reponse because of the district contract for services or because of existing reponsibility?
If it's because of the contract, and they elminate the contract, what's the outcome then?

In Florida, if a traffic accident occurs in an unincorporated county jurisdiction in Florida, Highway Patrol will respond - but Sheriff's Office can and will assist if there are injuries or hazards to other road users (while FHP does the reporting)

On property, Disney Security started, but I called 911 and insisted on FHP, because I felt that my insurance company would prefer that. After speaking with the claims team, it turns out that I was right.

 

[flynnibus]

So who’s to pay for police on district lands then? Currently Disney security will respond to calls on district roadways, can they start charging the district for that?

No, that's not how private security works...

And police on District lands is initially seeded with the Cities.. which has been delegated out previously. Today's comments did not say the District would not be paying for police services.

 

[flynnibus]

The municipalities are obligated to provide the service.

The topic was presented as overtime pay for police coverage that was exclusive to Disney properties. That sure sounds like 'additional services' -- not simply the cities' policing obligation.

And in the context of that conversation being replied to... The district constiutients were paying for that service, but they are not OBLIGATED to get such additional services from the district. Security above and beyond the normal public safety requirements is not part of the cities' obligations.

 

[flynnibus]

s CFTOD talking about cancelling all police contracts or just some?

This is where the conversation is going off the rails - The comments did not infer nor include cancelling all policing contracting by the district.

 

[mkt]

Then it seems to me Disney can simply pay off duty officers going forward?

For sure, but I'm not sure if laws/policies will allow for a similar arrangement to what OCSO/CFTOD/RCID have right now, with a separate OCSO sector, OCSO offices, and holding facilities.