So help me understand… the District is going to make Bay Lake and Lake Buena Vista pay for the police instead?
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Also what was with the wonder works lady…
MagicHappens1971
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Yeah this confused me as well. It may be that Disney will now directly pay OCPD on their own.
lazyboy97o
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The statement says the District plans to save money by no longer paying the sheriff’s departments for their presence. They expect Disney to pick up that tab directly.
It is for once a rather shrewd move. The municipalities could legally start their own police force but that is a very unpopular proposal that would definitely put their and the District’s future (assuming favorable legal outcomes) into question.
flavious27
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“We heard from constituents loud and clear at public meetings and while out and about in the community"
He hasn't been in contact with Disney. I really wouldn't call the lessees like Hilton a constituent.
"Further, taxpayer dollars would no longer be used to fund the private use of the public police force for commercial benefit. Over the past several years, instead of using private security or hiring additional police officers, private entities have placed the financial burden on citizens by billing the district to police their property."
Citizens? The only people that lived on property were disney executives. Again, the lessees of property in Disney Springs are not really citizens.
He hasn't been in contact with Disney. I really wouldn't call the lessees like Hilton a constituent.
"Further, taxpayer dollars would no longer be used to fund the private use of the public police force for commercial benefit. Over the past several years, instead of using private security or hiring additional police officers, private entities have placed the financial burden on citizens by billing the district to police their property."
Citizens? The only people that lived on property were disney executives. Again, the lessees of property in Disney Springs are not really citizens.
Wow seems like a D move
The proposed budget has assessed property valuations rising from $13.43 billion to $15.32 billion, and overall tax collections rising from $177.1M to $188.4M. Yes, the millage rate will go down, but only because the property value is apparently rising by 14%, allowing them to collect more dollars at a lower rate.
It's *POSSIBLE* that certain vendors could see stable or decreasing taxes. Maybe the higher assessments hit the Disney Parks and resorts the hardest, and largely ignored Disney Springs area hotels. But even that is a reach. 14% cumulative increase pretty massive year-to-year.
This whole story feels like a plant from the CFTOD, especially the "calling the balls and strikes fairly" rhetoric. CFTOD doesn't control the valuations, but it's disingenuous to imply that lower millages will truly help anyone. They're still collecting the money they have budgeted to operate, which is a collective $11 million more than 2023.
It's *POSSIBLE* that certain vendors could see stable or decreasing taxes. Maybe the higher assessments hit the Disney Parks and resorts the hardest, and largely ignored Disney Springs area hotels. But even that is a reach. 14% cumulative increase pretty massive year-to-year.
This whole story feels like a plant from the CFTOD, especially the "calling the balls and strikes fairly" rhetoric. CFTOD doesn't control the valuations, but it's disingenuous to imply that lower millages will truly help anyone. They're still collecting the money they have budgeted to operate, which is a collective $11 million more than 2023.
Disstevefan1
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I have no idea how this works but does SeaWorld and Universal pay for their own police presence?
JoeCamel
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It was a press release put out by the CFTOD It reads like a press release put out by the CFTOD
I’m sure they do, the difference being they don’t have a city’s worth of area to police.
Disstevefan1
Well-Known Member
Should that matter as it applies to who has to pay for it?
It’s too big so Disney shouldn’t pay for it?
But parking and entrance to the WDW parks will increase right on schedule.
lazyboy97o
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It really has nothing to do with size. They pay the taxes within their jurisdictions that fund the Orlando Police Department and the Orange County Sheriff’s Office. Like anyone else they can also pay for additional services and offices to be present.
This isn’t quite the same thing. If Universal Orlando Resort and SeaWorld Orlando didn’t pay for additional police presence at their properties the OPD (Universal) or OCSO (SeaWorld) would still respond to an incident that required a police presence. The District is saying they will no longer provide even this base level of service to its constituents.
lazyboy97o
Well-Known Member
Disney did pay but why let facts get in the way.
CFTOD chairman says that the district paid $8m a year for law enforcement at Walt Disney World among other 'naughty things'
CFTOD chairman says that the district paid $8m a year for law enforcement at Walt Disney World among other 'naughty things'
CFTOD chairman says that the district paid $8m a year for law enforcement at Walt Disney World among other 'naughty things'
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Disney and other businesses in the district did pay for the service through the taxes the district collected
Say you're driving on West on East Buena Vista Dr coming up on the Orange Parking Garge. As you go through the green light, someone leaving the parking garage makes a right on red (looks like you're not supposed to) without looking and they plow into the side of your rental car.
Who do you call to create a police report?
Since, you'll clearly want the rental company to go after the other driver and without a police report that's going to be difficult.
This is clearly not within a Disney park and it's a public CFTOD road. Assuming this change goes through, is there just no police to create a report now? Is that just a lawless intersection? As a lawless interstion, the no turn on red sign is going to be ignored all the time.
What other services does the district currently provide via an outside contracting arrangement instead of directly? Presumably, they would all be possible to shutdown but canceling those contracts.
Garcia as usual lied. He neglected the fact that he and the board are cutting $8 million in police protection. He claims the police expense was solely for the benefit of Disney but if you actully look at the police protection, you will see most of it us for Disney Springs. So will rents go up for businesses or will police ptotection go down? The one thing I know is Garcia does not care aboit the businesses or guests. All he cares about is what Desantis says and wants, Disney damaged and harmed.
flynnibus
Premium Member
It's just another example of getting rid of Disney's laundering of services through the District.
In terms of 'separating' things I don't think it's all that bad nor is it all that materially significant to how anything will actually operate.
flynnibus
Premium Member
It's just normal politics... make sure you take credit for anything you can make into a benefit
flynnibus
Premium Member
They paid for the service - but it's not a service they the District is obligated to offer.
Don't confuse "they paid the bill" with "they were owed it"