News Reedy Creek Improvement District and the Central Florida Tourism Oversight District

[tjkraz]

The proposed budget has assessed property valuations rising from $13.43 billion to $15.32 billion, and overall tax collections rising from $177.1M to $188.4M. Yes, the millage rate will go down, but only because the property value is apparently rising by 14%, allowing them to collect more dollars at a lower rate.

It's *POSSIBLE* that certain vendors could see stable or decreasing taxes. Maybe the higher assessments hit the Disney Parks and resorts the hardest, and largely ignored Disney Springs area hotels. But even that is a reach. 14% cumulative increase pretty massive year-to-year.

This whole story feels like a plant from the CFTOD, especially the "calling the balls and strikes fairly" rhetoric. CFTOD doesn't control the valuations, but it's disingenuous to imply that lower millages will truly help anyone. They're still collecting the money they have budgeted to operate, which is a collective $11 million more than 2023.

 

[Disstevefan1]

Wow seems like a D move

I have no idea how this works but does SeaWorld and Universal pay for their own police presence?

 

[JoeCamel]

The proposed budget has assessed property valuations rising from $13.43 billion to $15.32 billion, and overall tax collections rising from $177.1M to $188.4M. Yes, the millage rate will go down, but only because the property value is apparently rising by 14%, allowing them to collect more dollars at a lower rate.

It's *POSSIBLE* that certain vendors could see stable or decreasing taxes. Maybe the higher assessments hit the Disney Parks and resorts the hardest, and largely ignored Disney Springs area hotels. But even that is a reach. 14% cumulative increase pretty massive year-to-year.

This whole story feels like a plant from the CFTOD, especially the "calling the balls and strikes fairly" rhetoric. CFTOD doesn't control the valuations, but it's disingenuous to imply that lower millages will truly help anyone. They're still collecting the money they have budgeted to operate, which is a collective $11 million more than 2023.

It was a press release put out by the CFTOD It reads like a press release put out by the CFTOD

 

[castlecake2.0]

I have no idea how this works but does SeaWorld and Universal pay for their own police presence?

I’m sure they do, the difference being they don’t have a city’s worth of area to police.

 

[Disstevefan1]

I’m sure they do, the difference being they don’t have a city’s worth of area to police.

Should that matter as it applies to who has to pay for it?

It’s too big so Disney shouldn’t pay for it?

But parking and entrance to the WDW parks will increase right on schedule.

 

[lazyboy97o]

I’m sure they do, the difference being they don’t have a city’s worth of area to police. And it wasn’t that Disney wasn’t paying at all for it, they were contributing to it through their district taxes.

It really has nothing to do with size. They pay the taxes within their jurisdictions that fund the Orlando Police Department and the Orange County Sheriff’s Office. Like anyone else they can also pay for additional services and offices to be present.

This isn’t quite the same thing. If Universal Orlando Resort and SeaWorld Orlando didn’t pay for additional police presence at their properties the OPD (Universal) or OCSO (SeaWorld) would still respond to an incident that required a police presence. The District is saying they will no longer provide even this base level of service to its constituents.

 

[lazyboy97o]

Should that matter as it applies to who has to pay for it?

It’s too big so Disney shouldn’t pay for it?

But parking and entrance to the WDW parks will increase right on schedule.

Disney did pay but why let facts get in the way.

 

[wdwmagic]

CFTOD chairman says that the district paid $8m a year for law enforcement at Walt Disney World among other 'naughty things'​

CFTOD chairman says that the district paid $8m a year for law enforcement at Walt Disney World among other 'naughty things'

CFTOD chairman says that the district paid $8m a year for law enforcement at Walt Disney World among other 'naughty things'

www.wdwmagic.com

 

[castlecake2.0]

Should that matter as it applies to who has to pay for it?

It’s too big so Disney shouldn’t pay for it?

But parking and entrance to the WDW parks will increase right on schedule.

Disney and other businesses in the district did pay for the service through the taxes the district collected

 

[mmascari]

It really has nothing to do with size. They pay the taxes within their jurisdictions that fund the Orlando Police Department and the Orange County Sheriff’s Office. Like anyone else they can also pay for additional services and offices to be present.

This isn’t quite the same thing. If Universal Orlando Resort and SeaWorld Orlando didn’t pay for additional police presence at their properties the OPD (Universal) or OCSO (SeaWorld) would still respond to an incident that required a police presence.

Say you're driving on West on East Buena Vista Dr coming up on the Orange Parking Garge. As you go through the green light, someone leaving the parking garage makes a right on red (looks like you're not supposed to) without looking and they plow into the side of your rental car.

Who do you call to create a police report?

Since, you'll clearly want the rental company to go after the other driver and without a police report that's going to be difficult.

This is clearly not within a Disney park and it's a public CFTOD road. Assuming this change goes through, is there just no police to create a report now? Is that just a lawless intersection? As a lawless interstion, the no turn on red sign is going to be ignored all the time.

The District is saying they will no longer provide even this base level of service to its constituents.

What other services does the district currently provide via an outside contracting arrangement instead of directly? Presumably, they would all be possible to shutdown but canceling those contracts.

 

[seascape]

Garcia as usual lied. He neglected the fact that he and the board are cutting $8 million in police protection. He claims the police expense was solely for the benefit of Disney but if you actully look at the police protection, you will see most of it us for Disney Springs. So will rents go up for businesses or will police ptotection go down? The one thing I know is Garcia does not care aboit the businesses or guests. All he cares about is what Desantis says and wants, Disney damaged and harmed.

 

[flynnibus]

Wow seems like a D move

It's just another example of getting rid of Disney's laundering of services through the District.

In terms of 'separating' things I don't think it's all that bad nor is it all that materially significant to how anything will actually operate.

 

[flynnibus]

This whole story feels like a plant from the CFTOD, especially the "calling the balls and strikes fairly" rhetoric

It's just normal politics... make sure you take credit for anything you can make into a benefit

 

[flynnibus]

Disney and other businesses in the district did pay for the service through the taxes the district collected

They paid for the service - but it's not a service they the District is obligated to offer.

Don't confuse "they paid the bill" with "they were owed it"

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

What in the actual hell does that mean?

 

[flynnibus]

This is clearly not within a Disney park and it's a public CFTOD road. Assuming this change goes through, is there just no police to create a report now? Is that just a lawless intersection? As a lawless interstion, the no turn on red sign is going to be ignored all the time.

Eh?

This makes no sense. The county still has jurisdiction here as they always have had.

 

[castlecake2.0]

They paid for the service - but it's not a service they the District is obligated to offer.

Don't confuse "they paid the bill" with "they were owed it"

I’m not saying they were owed it, just saying they weren’t getting it for free.

 

[TheMaxRebo]

CFTOD chairman says that the district paid $8m a year for law enforcement at Walt Disney World among other 'naughty things'​

CFTOD chairman says that the district paid $8m a year for law enforcement at Walt Disney World among other 'naughty things'

CFTOD chairman says that the district paid $8m a year for law enforcement at Walt Disney World among other 'naughty things'

www.wdwmagic.com

I didn't see in there any indication of how much it should cost for all of the police coverage/protection of all of the area including all of Walt Disney World

Like, is $8m a crazy number? Too little? Too much?

I mean, it sounds like a lot but how many hundreds of millions of people are covered per year including all guests and Disney springs, etc?

 

[flynnibus]

Garcia as usual lied. He neglected the fact that he and the board are cutting $8 million in police protection. He claims the police expense was solely for the benefit of Disney but if you actully look at the police protection, you will see most of it us for Disney Springs. So will rents go up for businesses or will police ptotection go down?

Well Disney Springs is managed by Disney is it not? So the funneling of money through the district did benefit Disney as a developer and property manager.

Now, just like every other property manager, if they want additional police at their site, they will contract it with the relevant agencies.

 

[CaptainAmerica]

I didn't see in there any indication of how much it should cost for all of the police coverage/protection of all of the area including all of Walt Disney World

Like, is $8m a crazy number? Too little? Too much?

I mean, it sounds like a lot but how many hundreds of millions of people are covered per year including all guests and Disney springs, etc?

I think(?) the complaint isn't so much about the number, but that the police were used exclusively at Walt Disney World and not other locations in the district?