Figgy1
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You're happy all local control has been taken away? You're happy the largest landowner has no input and is actively being punished?
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News Reedy Creek Improvement District and the Central Florida Tourism Oversight District
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GoofGoof
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It wasn’t just “framed“ that way, it was the only reason he did it. DeSantis was not changing RCID because thousands of people don’t live there and it was flawed from the start. If that was the case he would have also altered every other special district in the state that wasn’t directly related to a housing development and there are many. Last I checked nobody lives at the Daytona Speedway either. The FL constitution specifies what special districts can and cannot do and there’s nothing specifying they are only for residential development.
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Sirwalterraleigh
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They are entering into a down period and that’s all Wall Street cares about. It doesn’t matter what the truth is…it only matters what people believe
That was a ploy figure…and it doesn’t appear to have worked at all
Larger companies that feel the need to bring in a lot of valuable content. I can think of 3 off the top
Nah…it’s a lot closer to nothing than you think. They didn’t say “$17 bil on rides and character buffets”. A lot of place to shell game account “projected costs” away in the swamp.Agreed on the status quo part, but that still isn’t nothing. In the last decade at WDW we got (in no particular order)
So while it wasn’t the Disney decade for sure the $15B spent over the last decade got us some interesting new stuff. This isn’t intended to be some debate about how that isn’t enough and which rides and lands were planned to be more then scaled down or replacements of existing rides. My only point is $17B will likely get us upkeep of existing stuff, for sure some DVC resorts, maybe a few more actual hotel rooms and then some “stuff” for the parks as well. That parks stuff isn’t going to be. 5th gate but isn‘t nothing either.
- Fantasyland Expansion (double dumbo, Mine Train, LM ride, etc)
- Tron Coaster
- Pandora (FoP, boat ride)
- Galaxy’s Edge (RoTR, Smuggler’s run)
- Toy Story Land (Slinky Dog, Alien Spinner, doubled TSMM)
- Great Mickey Ride
- Rat Ride
- Guardians of the Universe of Energy
- Frozen in Norway (I know…kinda lame)
- Disney Springs expansion
- Skyliner
- Multiple DVC resorts and one failed Star Wars hotel
RamblinWreck
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If it were being dissolved, there wouldn’t be many people complaining.
It’s unarguable that the solution DeSantis came up with to save face, after realizing rushing to dissolve the district without a clue how to do it wasn’t going to work, is extreme.
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This is a perfect example of the "defend your flag at any costs" mentality you talked about. Dismissing DeSantis' actions as just a problem of framing or using the wrong word completely ignores and excuses the fact that he's a governor punishing a corporation - doing everything he can to harm them, slandering them, accusing them of vile crimes - solely for criticizing him. That can't be normalized or trivialized as mere word choice.
What's right or wrong has EVERYTHING to do with this war. Wrong is the DeSantis punishing and suppressing free speech, plus the lies and defamation that go along with it. But what has Disney done that's wrong? How can this be a both sides issue, when only one side is in the wrong?
GoofGoof
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That was the list of what $14B at WDW got us over the last decade (10.5 years
). Adjusted for inflation thats about the same as $17B now. It wasn’t all rides and character buffets the last decade either. It was what it was.RamblinWreck
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For anyone who may be inclined to think that DeSantis is somehow doing the right thing for the wrong reasons.
Ask yourself why he didn’t set in motion a 10 year plan to actually dissolve the district.
The one and only possible answer for what he did instead is blindingly obvious, but just see if you can admit it to yourself.
Do you really think the “right” and best possible solution was to make himself the leader of the district, and then assign a bunch of unqualified puppets to the role?
And then, you know, continue to outwardly brag about how he was going to use this power to punish the company and try to influence their business decisions?
Ask yourself why he didn’t set in motion a 10 year plan to actually dissolve the district.
The one and only possible answer for what he did instead is blindingly obvious, but just see if you can admit it to yourself.
Do you really think the “right” and best possible solution was to make himself the leader of the district, and then assign a bunch of unqualified puppets to the role?
And then, you know, continue to outwardly brag about how he was going to use this power to punish the company and try to influence their business decisions?
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Sirwalterraleigh
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You’re missing the point..That was the list of what $14B at WDW got us over the last decade (10.5 years
That was just for PR, they’re not bound to it…and they appear to have ZERO intention of doing anything. When was the last time NOTHING of substance in the parks was being built? Been a long time, sailor…
But here’s the way it gets done: all the money men who threatened Iger for a dividend months ago…should go on squawk box and call for his firing.
He’ll jump and look for headlines then. GREENLIGHT!!
But is it in their interests to have more money spent in parks? Probably not.
GoofGoof
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You are free to believe what you want. I see no reason to believe they will add nothing new in 10 years but….sure it could happen. Either way it’s moving off topic to argue about it here anyway.You’re missing the point..
That was just for PR, they’re not bound to it…and they appear to have ZERO intention of doing anything. When was the last time NOTHING of substance in the parks was being built? Been a long time, sailor…
But here’s the way it gets done: all the money men who threatened Iger for a dividend months ago…should go on squawk box and call for his firing.
He’ll jump and look for headlines then. GREENLIGHT!!
But is it in their interests to have more money spent in parks? Probably not.
So you'd be ok with local taxpayers paying for public services on Disney's property?
Sirwalterraleigh
Premium Member
They’re five years away from opening anything of substance if they starting digging at midnight tonight.
See that’s the kicker with iger’s “blue ocean” park strategy. They have believed they must do NOTHING…even though they got caught flat footed on two huge occasions…
So will they build something? Of course.
But that wasn’t your stance…you took that PR stunt $17 bil and made up a fake invoice for the future with it…
I’ll edit my self: they have no intention of doing anything RIGHT NOW.
Tssk tsk
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Sirwalterraleigh
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You do understand they insisted on reedy cause they knew the government in the area couldn’t do it?
They couldn’t if they had to start today. It was and still is a mammoth operation to build and maintain.
You know at one time the largest single source funded private construction project in history was built in wdw?
That was world history…by the way.
MagicHappens1971
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The problem is that unless something changes about Disneys construction speed, even if they broke ground tonight, nothing of major substance would open for another 3-5 years.
They can barley do a retheme in less than two years.
No one is saying that they’re not going to build anything new, or that they won’t even build the “Blue Sky” plans.
I am not in the camp that EU is going to steal enough guests to make a huge dent, Disney needs to have something built, and now. I can’t believe they didn’t learn from WWoHP and the knee-jerk, half a**ed New Fantasyland
They can barley do a retheme in less than two years.
No one is saying that they’re not going to build anything new, or that they won’t even build the “Blue Sky” plans.
I am not in the camp that EU is going to steal enough guests to make a huge dent, Disney needs to have something built, and now. I can’t believe they didn’t learn from WWoHP and the knee-jerk, half a**ed New Fantasyland
GoofGoof
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Again, kinda off topic, but the $17B was forecasted capital spend over a decade, so cash out the door for capitalized projects at WDW. A large chunk of that is just upkeep on existing attractions which would be difficult to pull back. If a new project started tomorrow and takes 5 years to open they are still spending money over those 5 years, maybe not evenly 1/5 each year but it’s not like the cash out the door all happens when the attraction opens. Even if Disney is slow to build and people think they spend way more than they should for attractions and lands it doesn’t change the financial impact of not spending that money. It’s construction jobs and eventually new permanent jobs, etc. This isn’t about park fan discussions on whether or not what they spend money on is worth it or if it’s enough to compete with Universal. If they spend a few hundred million on a new DVC resort it’s still a few hundred million into the local economy even if park fans think it’s a waste of money or poorly themed. Same goes for expanding Disney Springs, building a skyliner or re-theming a boat ride.
Wendy Pleakley
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Whatever side you're on, there are some good things coming about from the change. The Emergency Services personnel finally will have a contract with raises and new vehicles.
Reedy Creek firefighters vote in favor of new contract
A union for Reedy Creek firefighters has voted on a new contract that could increase the firefighters' salaries.www.wesh.com
Does this get invalidated if the oversight board gets shut down via the lawsuits?
Also, is this something Disney ultimately pays for? A case of sticking it to Disney by being generous in negotiations?
GoofGoof
Premium Member
Yes, the taxpayers pay for the additional cost. Mostly Disney but they pass some on to DVC owners and Disney Springs vendors.
I don’t know what happens to the contract if Disney wins the lawsuit. I think it will likely be void and have to be re-done. I would hope that Disney wouldn’t consider pulling back the pay increases, but they could maybe re-evaluate the new equipment. It’s a big mess and the EMS workers are potential collateral damage here. Disney should do what’s right and honor the contract or at least the pay raises if they win in court.
Sirwalterraleigh
Premium Member
Wendy Pleakley
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For me that would depend on whether or not the pay raises were egregious. I have zero insight as to whether or not this is a reasonable contract so I can only speculate that it might be done in a way to punish Disney.
Which is another example of how this is so messy and wrong. Disney pays more in taxes under the original agreement in order to retain more control.
Now, we have Disney being forced to pay on a contract that might be unreasonable. If the district was dissolved completely and the tax burden had been returned to the state, this wouldn't be an issue. Florida wants to have their cake and eat it too.
Sirwalterraleigh
Premium Member
You do realize you’re confusing this:Whatever side you're on, there are some good things coming about from the change. The Emergency Services personnel finally will have a contract with raises and new vehicles.
Reedy Creek firefighters vote in favor of new contract
A union for Reedy Creek firefighters has voted on a new contract that could increase the firefighters' salaries.
With this:
Brian
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The firefighter union and RCID had been in contract negotiations for some time. DeSantis has placed tremendous emphasis on supporting first responders during his time in office, so it's unsurprising that a DeSantis-appointed board is also a pro-first responder board. When they took over, they were much easier to negotiate with than the former RCID board, and if I'm not mistaken, came to an agreement after only two weeks of negotiations.
In short, I don't think this was a way to "punish" Disney as much as it was merely a result of a board with a different mentality.