Goofyernmost
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Simple they still have drunk the Kool Aid that Disney is paying less in taxes than everyone else. After this many pages one would think that fallacy would be dispelled by now.
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GoofGoof
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Those are healthy pay raises but from my understanding the union had been working without a contract for a while so maybe making up for lost time. If Disney wins the lawsuit and gets the old RCID board back and gets pretty much what they want they can afford to give a little on these contracts and suck it up and eat the extra cost.
Some have improved their lies to some. If you repeat it again and again, some take it as the truth.
I'm just curious do the firefighters and paramedics keep their coveted perks, free entry for themselves , family and friends to the theme parks?
GoofGoof
Premium Member
20% of them voted no on the contract so maybe not
I would assume none of that changed. Probably just pay increases and agreement to hire more workers and add more equipment.
Sirwalterraleigh
Premium Member
They always could afford it…
And that’s the ugly side…crushing wages has always been a primary goal at TDO…
The best story that illustrates is when the restaurant servers were making great money…but the managers weren’t. So instead of paying the 1:10 ratio managers more…they slashed tables for the servers.
Did the same thing with PI bartenders back in the day too.
GoofGoof
Premium Member
Yeah I don’t think Disney is infallible on all accounts. They are dead right in this fight with DeSantis, no question, but they are not always saints. If the first responders get a “windfall” out of this then at least someone else gets something positive out of it besides old puddin hands.
Figgy1
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Just so there is no misunderstanding about my thoughts on the subject. Should RCID got back to being RCID punishing the FF union for speaking out would be just as wrong as what's currently going on now imho. IMHO they should receive what fair compensation considering they've been without a contract for 4 years. That said as of now I honestly don't know if the amounts under the new contract is the "right number" because I haven't compared the old pay vs new vs local pay, inflation......................................
GoofGoof
Premium Member
It seems like a pretty good salary. Up here in Philly firefighters start at $60K now but it’s a different job and cost of living is different than FL. Based on a quick search it looks like Orlando firefighters start at $50K. So a nice bump over Orlando, but not ridiculous.
Chi84
Premium Member
I think it's more the idea that Florida was somehow "duped" into creating RCID based on Walt's original vision of an Epcot living community. Apparently, these people believe that if Disney had proposed draining and improving a tract of swampland to build a world-class tourist destination involving four theme parks, two water parks, several resort hotels and a shopping/dining/entertainment district instead of a residential living community, Florida would have said no to RCID.
This idea was also dispelled with citations to original sources and fact-based articles earlier in this 1000+ page thread.
Disney upon getting the RCID: "Ha ha, Florida!! We duped you into letting us create one of the biggest economic engines in your state!! Suckahs!!!"
GoofGoof
Premium Member
Don’t forget Pandora and rat ride plus the Guardians of the Universe of Energy which is both a replacement and a new ride given that the ride itself is a completely new really, really, really big building
I actually don’t think Disney will slow anything down to gain leverage. The talking point was made to highlight the opposite. Iger was stating that Disney values FL as a good partner and intends to invest heavily in the state. It makes the Governor‘s actions seem even more anti-business and illogical for anyone who cares about the economy (the #1 issue for the majority of voters).
Whether Lake Nona was cancelled because of the feud or not that is the public perception. Well played by the mouse. The big difference is Lake Nona was never going to drive a dollar in new revenues. It was originally planned as a cost savings long term over keeping the jobs in CA. New projects at WDW can and should draw more business and can contribute revenue growth.
TWDC is in a cost cutting mode right now. It’s not surprising they don’t have major projects with large capital investments starting right now. They also know that in Summer 2025 Epic Universe opens which will draw tourists to the region. Disney will get a bump from that just like when both Potterlands opened. If they green light some projects end of this year to start 2024 they will come online well after 2025. Adding Zootopia or Moana to AK wouldn’t divert people from visiting Epic Universe. At this point the parks have a symbiotic relationship. They feed off of each other. Waiting to start anything conserves some cash in the short term. Remember the $17B is over a decade but not necessary $1.7B per year evenly.
GoofGoof
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Josh D’Amaro made an appearance today at the JP Morgan Global Technology, Media & Communications Conference and made some comments related to the RCID dispute and the cancelation of Lake Nona. He also reiterated the $17B projection for spend at WDW.
Asked by moderator and JP Morgan media analyst Phil Cutick whether the battle has altered parks operations in any way, D’Amaro responded, “It has not. As you’ve seen in our results, the progress we’ve made coming out of Covid has been exceptionally strong.” In the company’s most recent quarterly financials, parks proved a highlight, though declines at linear TV networks and in streaming subscribers held the company back.
Asked about the decision to reverse course on building the new facility in Florida, which reportedly will deprive the state of $1 billion in proceeds, D’Amaro said, “a lot has changed” since plans were initially announced in 2022. “We have new leadership in place,” he said, primarily CEO Bob Iger, who returned to the top job in November 2022 after the ouster of Bob Chapek. “And No. 2, business conditions have changed pretty significantly, so taking that all into account, we said at this point in time we’re going to reverse that decision.” The move also ensured that “we’re taking care of employees in the right way,” he added.
Even with that pullback on the new campus, the company still plans to spend $17 billion in Florida over the next decade, D’Amaro said. “We’re thinking pretty aggressively about where we can take things in Florida,” he said. “I’m excited about what’s in store.”
So more confirmation that the Lake Nona cancellation was also about employees not wanting to go and the change at the top back to Iger. Nothing really new here, but more of the same talking points.
Interesting (even if slightly off-topic) he said they will have a $100-$150M acceleration of depreciation for the Star Cruiser. So I don’t know how much the total cost was but they are essentially taking a $100-150M impairment on fixed assets that would have been depreciated over many more years.
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Asked by moderator and JP Morgan media analyst Phil Cutick whether the battle has altered parks operations in any way, D’Amaro responded, “It has not. As you’ve seen in our results, the progress we’ve made coming out of Covid has been exceptionally strong.” In the company’s most recent quarterly financials, parks proved a highlight, though declines at linear TV networks and in streaming subscribers held the company back.
Asked about the decision to reverse course on building the new facility in Florida, which reportedly will deprive the state of $1 billion in proceeds, D’Amaro said, “a lot has changed” since plans were initially announced in 2022. “We have new leadership in place,” he said, primarily CEO Bob Iger, who returned to the top job in November 2022 after the ouster of Bob Chapek. “And No. 2, business conditions have changed pretty significantly, so taking that all into account, we said at this point in time we’re going to reverse that decision.” The move also ensured that “we’re taking care of employees in the right way,” he added.
Even with that pullback on the new campus, the company still plans to spend $17 billion in Florida over the next decade, D’Amaro said. “We’re thinking pretty aggressively about where we can take things in Florida,” he said. “I’m excited about what’s in store.”
So more confirmation that the Lake Nona cancellation was also about employees not wanting to go and the change at the top back to Iger. Nothing really new here, but more of the same talking points.
Interesting (even if slightly off-topic) he said they will have a $100-$150M acceleration of depreciation for the Star Cruiser. So I don’t know how much the total cost was but they are essentially taking a $100-150M impairment on fixed assets that would have been depreciated over many more years.
Disney Parks Chief Josh D’Amaro Says Clash With Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis Has Not Hurt Business; Company Still Plans To Spend $17B In State Over Next Decade
If the feud between Disney and Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis was going to be escalated yet again, parks chief Josh D’Amaro didn’t seem like he would be the one to do it. In an appearance Monday at the JP Morgan Global Technology, Media & Communications Conference, the chairman of Disney’s Parks...
drnilescrane
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New filing on PACER setting a timeline for the Defendants anticipated motions to dismiss the case.
IANAL, but I find the arguments over the service of process about as meritless as the arguments over whether proper notice was mailed out for the development agreements. If that's what you're leading with, that's all you have. Just constant Hail Mary arguments from the CFTOD.
IANAL, but I find the arguments over the service of process about as meritless as the arguments over whether proper notice was mailed out for the development agreements. If that's what you're leading with, that's all you have. Just constant Hail Mary arguments from the CFTOD.
Stripes
Premium Member
Any lawyers know if there are different service requirement for when a suit is filed against a government agency itself vs officials of that agency being sued in their official capacities?
I ask because there are numerous examples of lawsuits against RCID itself where service was performed on an employee.
I was served as an agent of a state agency, rather than the agency itself. That being said, if the agency is sued, the agency head or agency general counsel is usually the one served. At least, that's how it was whenever DEP was sued.
Stripes
Premium Member
In this case, the communications director for CFTOD was served the summons for the board and administrator in Disney’s federal suit. Apparently, CFTOD didn’t have a registered agent.
Any lawyers know if this a problem? Again, there are examples in the past of RCID employees being served in cases against the district.
Chi84
Premium Member
I don’t know the specifics, but service is never an issue.
UNCgolf
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At most improper service would result in a dismissal without prejudice -- meaning Disney could just refile the lawsuit and attempt to serve again -- but considering this lawsuit is all over the news, even if they were not served properly a judge could decide they had constructive notice and thus the failure to serve or improper service didn't really matter.
A service issue is not going to cause Disney to lose regardless.
A service issue is not going to cause Disney to lose regardless.