Reason the Wand may come down?

Tom Morrow

Well-Known Member
My kids coment every time we go to WDW that it's just becoming a big advertisment for the movies (of course they love Stitch and don't complain about HIM though...lol). I've been to WDW about 25 times since '71 and the change has not been a good one. I'd like to see stuff come back that is NOT based on Disney movie. Even the older attractions that are based on movies (Snow White, Peter Pan, 20K leagues) were not all "up in your face" like some of the newer stuff.

However, I don't know what's worse, the movie theming everywhere or getting off of a ride and seeing "GE", "RCA" etc plastered EVERYWHERE..lol.

I'd like to see parts of WDW go back to the "World's Fair theme" roots that Walt invisioned.

If they do want to attract more people into the parks though, there is one thing they are going to have to do something about...the price. WDW is pricing itself out of the reah of the average person more and more.
Ehh... I don't really think most of the new attractions based on movies are really any different of a concept than the Fantasyland attractions based on movies.

Is The Seas with Nemo and Friends really any different of a concept than Peter Pan's Flight? As in, you just ride through a brief re-telling of the movie. These new attractions are no different, they just seem more like advertisements because they are based on new(er) movies. Though I do wish they would stop original attractions that aren't based on movies with ones that are.

As for companies sponsoring attractions... you hardly see it outside of Future World... and Future World has been like that from the very beginning.

Also, its funny how far off this topic has come from being about the wand.
 

darthjohnny

Active Member
2nd.

John Lasseter was hired as head of Disney Feature Animation and not Walt Disney Imagineering

I know. Why do people have that misconception? :shrug:


My kids coment every time we go to WDW that it's just becoming a big advertisment for the movies (of course they love Stitch and don't complain about HIM though...lol). I've been to WDW about 25 times since '71 and the change has not been a good one. I'd like to see stuff come back that is NOT based on Disney movie. Even the older attractions that are based on movies (Snow White, Peter Pan, 20K leagues) were not all "up in your face" like some of the newer stuff.

However, I don't know what's worse, the movie theming everywhere or getting off of a ride and seeing "GE", "RCA" etc plastered EVERYWHERE..lol.

I'd like to see parts of WDW go back to the "World's Fair theme" roots that Walt invisioned.

If they do want to attract more people into the parks though, there is one thing they are going to have to do something about...the price. WDW is pricing itself out of the reah of the average person more and more.

It might be true that Disney pushes their movies with the merchandise they sell now, i.e. Pirates of the Caribbean.

But Disney theme parks have always designed many of their attractions to promote other aspects of the company, i.e. The Jungle Cruise was suppose to promote the Disney television show, I forget the name, but it was something like Wild Life. (I'm sure someone knows what I'm talking about.)

And there were original rides like Alice in Wonderland and Peter Pan that promoted the movies. That was one of the main aspects of the original Disneyland.

Today, there have been several additions to Disney that are based on movies, but not a retelling of the story, like some of the older rides. The rides have new stories, like Stitch's Great Escape, The Seas with Nemo and Friends, the Laugh Floor, and there have been completley original rides, like Expedition Everest.

As for seeing the sponsor's names like GE or RCA, it is just a fact of life.

Disney does need sponsors, otherwise, they would need to finance everything themselves, and then the price as you were talking about, would have to go up substantially. So Disney has to show who wants to pay for it.

I know some people on these threads complain about the whole "a generous grant from the McDonald's corporation" announcement in DINOSAUR, but most of the advertisements are not overbearing, especially like Kodak sposoring Mickey's Philharmagic.

But the prices as you said are getting expensive. But I think it's Disney secret plan to have people spend more days in the parks where they can get discounted prices on the tickets for the more days they buy, so they would spend less, but make people spend more money on food and merchandise. So it all come back to Disney in the end. :)
 

Tim G

Well-Known Member
I'm sorry. I have talked to Mr. Sklar personally and he seemed to have that sort of impression of him. Though it is all mixed up at the time. It is hard for people to see who is who in this mixed up mess of a situation.:(

SO I just I am going by what I have heard read and seen from personal experience, so I don't know everything going on. I'm sorry if I said something completely jumbled up and the opposite of what is really happening.:confused:
I didn't only met him, I've worked with him...

The official statement is, that he wanted more time to spend with his family...

The real reason is he didn't want to work under this new group...

Ciao! :D
 

unkadug

Follower of "Saget"The Cult
My kids coment every time we go to WDW that it's just becoming a big advertisment for the movies (of course they love Stitch and don't complain about HIM though...lol). I've been to WDW about 25 times since '71 and the change has not been a good one. I'd like to see stuff come back that is NOT based on Disney movie. Even the older attractions that are based on movies (Snow White, Peter Pan, 20K leagues) were not all "up in your face" like some of the newer stuff.

Maybe you consider it up in your face because technology has changed, so therefore the methods of storytelling has also changed.
However, I don't know what's worse, the movie theming everywhere or getting off of a ride and seeing "GE", "RCA" etc plastered EVERYWHERE..lol.

I'd like to see parts of WDW go back to the "World's Fair theme" roots that Walt invisioned.
Even a world's fair is one big corporate advertisement!
If they do want to attract more people into the parks though, there is one thing they are going to have to do something about...the price. WDW is pricing itself out of the reah of the average person more and more.
How do you figure that, when attendance is at an all-time high? :confused:
 

Tim G

Well-Known Member
>>>1st.
As part of the deal, Lasseter asked for and got Key Creative Executive, including oversight of all Imagineering projects. He wanted that, and he got it.

And as for his sole objective being to boost PIXAR product... you'd know better if you actually were working in the animation industry. That's clearly not his goal. Lasseter has two babies - Walt Disney Feature Animation's legacy, the place that nurtured, spawned (and ultimately spat him out) - a place for which he nonetheless holds great love and a desire (and admonition from Iger, Jobs and Disney's board) to return to greatness, and his personal
baby, PIXAR, where clearly he's got deserved passions.

The moves that have been made in Burbank, layoffs notwithstanding, are making for a stronger, leaner, and revitalized WDFA. So saying Lasseter's singly purposed towards "boosting PIXAR product" is frankly a silly assessment, and doesn't even belong in the domain of educated opinion.
LOL... You dont know what belongs and what not...

Never mind...

You obviously seem to know everything... :lookaroun
 

Mr.EPCOT

Active Member
Try doing a search on these boards... it´s discussed many, many times... :D

Well, I assume it could mean any one of a number of things, like end of FastPass, or a return to the A-B-C-D-E Ticket system, or even things like the return of the Rolly Crump-designed planter/rising stage at the Tomorrowland Terrace in Disneyland, or...


the removal of the wand and Leave a Legacy! :-D


But seriously, I would also assume it doesn't mean the return of some of our beloved dearly departed attractions.
 

ToTBellHop

Well-Known Member
Well, I assume it could mean any one of a number of things, like end of FastPass, or a return to the A-B-C-D-E Ticket system, or even things like the return of the Rolly Crump-designed planter/rising stage at the Tomorrowland Terrace in Disneyland, or...


the removal of the wand and Leave a Legacy! :-D


But seriously, I would also assume it doesn't mean the return of some of our beloved dearly departed attractions.
Nah...none of those things. How about great new attractions built that are meant to enhance the theme of the parks, not to encourage guests to buy the next DisneyDVD? How about refreshing entertainment offerings every few years as was the case in years past? How about reasonable standard upkeep of all of the rides? How about no expensive yet meaningless celebrations? While one could argue that the Tower of Terror or Indiana Jones Adventure are attractions that came from WDI during one of its glory days, I highly doubt we will be saying in 10 years "remember the glory days of the Monsters Inc. Laugh Floor Comedy Club? I wish we could go back to those days..."
 

Champion

New Member
Rataouille? Bomb? lol. I seriously laughed when I read that. It will make hundreds of millions of dollars and I would bet a lot of money on that. Every audience I have been with when a Ratatouille preview plays have laughed quite a bit. It looks fantastic. Americans are not as ignorant as you are making them out to be, especially when the preview says "Ratatouille" followed by "Rat-a-too-ee." It's absolutely absurd to suggest this movie will not be a blockbuster. People see PIXAR and remember Toy Story, A Bug's Life, Toy Story 2, Monsters, Inc., Finding Nemo, The Incredibles, and Cars, all of which grossed hundreds of millions of dollars. Pixar could make a o flick and people would bring their kids.

You overestimate how much profit a Pixar film actually makes in the theaters. Why do you think they wanted to change the deal so they got part of the marketing rights? Because they basically only turn a 100%-150% profit in theaters. Pixar movies come in at around $125m on the production budget, and end up making $250-300 domestic. So while that $125-175m IS a lot of money, its nothing in the grand scheme. Its enough to make the next movie. Finding Nemo was such a huge success for Pixar because it cost the least to make by about $20m less then the others, and it also grossed the most by about $50m domestically.

I find it completely absurb to think that you are insinuating that Pixar can throw their name on something and that makes it amazing. Don't you constantly argue that Disney does the same thing, and it signals the upcoming end of TWDC?

I'll put it this way: Ratatouille will be the least grossing Pixar movie to date.

And Cars did just fine. $450,000,000 is certainly not Finding Nemo, but it's comparable with Toy Story 2 and still a lot of money.

You missed the point. I wasn't saying Cars did badly, but it was the worst of the Pixar movies. (The first couple technically grossed less, but that was before tickets were $10 each. - And btw, using the worldwide gross for your argument doesn't make it more valid.)
 

basas

Well-Known Member
Nah...none of those things. How about great new attractions built that are meant to enhance the theme of the parks, not to encourage guests to buy the next DisneyDVD? How about refreshing entertainment offerings every few years as was the case in years past? How about reasonable standard upkeep of all of the rides? How about no expensive yet meaningless celebrations? While one could argue that the Tower of Terror or Indiana Jones Adventure are attractions that came from WDI during one of its glory days, I highly doubt we will be saying in 10 years "remember the glory days of the Monsters Inc. Laugh Floor Comedy Club? I wish we could go back to those days..."

Agreed, agreed, agreed and...agreed! All excellent points.
 

disney9752

Member
back 2 the topic of thread

take the blasted wand away, since no one in a high position wants to do it maybe mother nature will send a storm, hurricane, high wind gusts, SOMETHING 2 get rid of that ugly thing.......:ROFLOL:
 

Tim G

Well-Known Member
take the blasted wand away, since no one in a high position wants to do it maybe mother nature will send a storm, hurricane, high wind gusts, SOMETHING 2 get rid of that ugly thing.......:ROFLOL:
You REALLY don't know what you're talking about... Hurricane??
 

imagineer boy

Well-Known Member
BUT.... if you loose you owe me a 1000... :lol::ROFLOL::lol:

Which won't happen, because reguardless of whether or not Ratatouille is good or not, it will still make tons of money because of its Pixar brand. I'm getting 20 bucks! Whoo hoo! You goin' down Corrus.:king:
 

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