Reason the Wand may come down?

[Tim G]

Hopefully in about 9 more years I'll be helping Mr. Lasseter return Disney Imagineering to it's glory days of HM, POTC, Adventure thru inner space and a wand free EPCOT. Hopefully.....

John Lasseter?? Don't think so...

John Lasseter's only 2 virtues...

Animation... (which hasn't got anything to do with Imagineering)
Pocket filling...

As John Lasseter came as part of the Pixar deal...
Why do you think Marty Sklar left... and a whole lot more...

John Lasseter is one hell of an Animator... but only has tiny ideas about Imagineering... <yet another idiot who tries to outsource WDI>
He's still thinking, how tiny Imagineering can be and still maintain a strategic advantage...

NOT

It's still the group that keeps him going... And he's certainly not the driving spirit behind WDI...

 

[wdwishes2005]

If new leadership came into town, the Wand would be the last thing on their minds. There are far more important things to fix at WDW than a Wand that a few hundred online fanatics don't like...the average guest is perfectly happy with the Wand, and even here, no more than half of us dislike the wand. I like it...

I realize you only joined here a few weeks ago, but over the years Corrus has pretty much always reported things as they are, regardless of personal bias. You can be sure the current plan is for the Wand to stay, and like all of the other "temporary" things Disney has built over the years, it will stay. The fact that the founder of this site, Steve, also thinks it is permanent ought to be a further hint, since in the nearly 8 years that I have paid attention to the site, Steve has gotten almost nothing wrong. This site isn't the most-trusted unofficial WDW site for no reason. In fact, in many cases it's MORE accurate than www.disneyworld.com, but that's a different story entirely...

MMC has been here for a year.....

 

[Mr.EPCOT]

MMC has been here for a year.....

I can swear I've been posting longer than that, but I guess the thing doesn't lie. I have been visiting the site for several years.

 

[Enigma]

John Lasseter?? Don't think so...

John Lasseter's only 2 virtues...

Animation... (which hasn't got anything to do with Imagineering)
Pocket filling...

Animation has EVERYTHING to do with Imagineering. The most talented imagineers of all time Marc Davis, Mary Blair, etc. were animators AS WELL as imagineers.

Pocket filling? He gets paid big bucks because he preforms unlike Micheal Eisner.

As John Lasseter came as part of the Pixar deal...
Why do you think Marty Sklar left... and a whole lot more...

I already mentioned why Sklar & friends left. They were too comfortable and the more people like them that leave THE BETTER.

John Lasseter is one hell of an Animator... but only has tiny ideas about Imagineering... <yet another idiot who tries to outsource WDI>

The fact that you just called Lasseter an idiot speaks volumes about you and there is absoluetly no evidence that he is trying to outsource imagineering.

 

[Tim G]

Animation has EVERYTHING to do with Imagineering. The most talented imagineers of all time Marc Davis, Mary Blair, etc. were animators AS WELL as imagineers.

Pocket filling? He gets paid big bucks because he preforms unlike Micheal Eisner.




I already mentioned why Sklar & friends left. They were too comfortable and the more people like them that leave THE BETTER.



The fact that you just called Lasseter an idiot speaks volumes about you and there is absoluetly no evidence that he is trying to outsource imagineering.;

You're right... I don't know what I'm talking about... I'm a complete nitwit... :lookaroun :lookaroun :lookaroun

BTW... It's MR. Sklar to you...

 

[Hakunamatata]

Animation has EVERYTHING to do with Imagineering. The most talented imagineers of all time Marc Davis, Mary Blair, etc. were animators AS WELL as imagineers.

Pocket filling? He gets paid big bucks because he preforms unlike Micheal Eisner.




I already mentioned why Sklar & friends left. They were too comfortable and the more people like them that leave THE BETTER.



The fact that you just called Lasseter an idiot speaks volumes about you and there is absoluetly no evidence that he is trying to outsource imagineering.

Um, nothing like throwing rocks at people in the know right after joining, huh?

 

[SpongeScott]

Animation has EVERYTHING to do with Imagineering. The most talented imagineers of all time Marc Davis, Mary Blair, etc. were animators AS WELL as imagineers.

Pocket filling? He gets paid big bucks because he preforms unlike Micheal Eisner.




I already mentioned why Sklar & friends left. They were too comfortable and the more people like them that leave THE BETTER.



The fact that you just called Lasseter an idiot speaks volumes about you and there is absoluetly no evidence that he is trying to outsource imagineering.

Let's see here....you've just joined this month and have less than 10 posts. On the other hand, Corrus has been here for 5 years and has over 10,000 posts and has proven himself time and time again to be an amazing source of information.

I know who I'm choosing to believe.:wave:

 

[Legacy]

Let's see here....you've just joined this month and have less than 10 posts. On the other hand, Corrus has been here for 5 years and has over 10,000 posts and has proven himself time and time again to be an amazing source of information.

I know who I'm choosing to believe.:wave:

Com'on Scott... post count doesn't matter.



Corrus was a massive padder anyway...

 

[CBOMB]

One gallon of paint per year, and three light bulbs...:shrug: :ROFLOL:

Have you been to Home Depot lately? That can be a budget buster!


I still think the Wand, and the Hat were put there to grab your attention, and to leave no doubt that you were at a Disney Park. I think they accomplished that. Spaceship Earth, while beautiful on it's own, did not have a recognizable tag to it, the same held true with the Chinese Theatre. I just wonder when someone is going to look at The Tree of Life, and say "How can we make that big bush look more like it fits into a Disney Theme Park". There will always be change at Disney some of it will be good, and some of it will be bad, it all depends on your perspective of things. I happen to like the Wand for a number of reasons, the Hat, while I wish they had located it else where, that is really the only place for it. Same for Leave a Legacy. Poor location in my opinion, but if you're going to ask guest to pay $35.00 dollars to leave a postage stamp size engraving of themselves, then it better be up front with the park logo.

 

[pheneix]

I can't really disagree on any particular point that Marty Sklar was dead weight and needed to go. I think Tom Fitzgerald is past his time too.

Imagineering is always going to be a mess as long as the idiots running WDP&R task WDI with building attractions around their own horrible ideas. Honestly, if someone came to me demanding a Monsters Inc attraction and then telling me it had to be based around the Living Character program, I'd probably make it the worst attraction possible out of spite.

 

[Champion]

Pocket filling? He gets paid big bucks because he preforms unlike Micheal Eisner.

Yes, the company didn't have its biggest growth in its history under Eisner ... oh wait. It did. And if it wasn't for the 9/11 downswing, we'd be looking at a lot more.

The fact that you just called Lasseter an idiot speaks volumes about you and there is absoluetly no evidence that he is trying to outsource imagineering.

This is just comical. If only you knew.

 

[unkadug]

Yes, the company didn't have its biggest growth in its history under Eisner ... oh wait. It did. And if it wasn't for the 9/11 downswing, we'd be looking at a lot more.




This is just comical. If only you knew.

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[Lee]

Imagineering is always going to be a mess as long as the idiots running WDP&R task WDI with building attractions around their own horrible ideas.

Yes.
Then asking "Can't you do it any cheaper?"

 

[pheneix]

Eisner ... oh wait. It did. And if it wasn't for the 9/11 downswing, we'd be looking at a lot more.

Can't agree with that statement. Things were going south after the go.com failure. 9/11 just expedited the bleeding when it yanked the only reliable source of cash flow in the company (theme parks) out from under them. And then there's that Fox Family fiasco. $5 billion for a failed cable network? You gotta be kidding. For all the criticism Iger gets for paying out the nose for Pixar, at least he has a beautiful creative campus and some of the greatest films of all time to show for it.

I could write a lot more, but its been posted here hundreds of times. Eisner overstayed his welcome and karma bit him in the ______.

 

[Enderikari]

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Anyone else get the "Ghostbuster" feel from that Enigma guy?

 

[Tim G]

I can't really disagree on any particular point that Marty Sklar was dead weight and needed to go. I think Tom Fitzgerald is past his time too.

Imagineering is always going to be a mess as long as the idiots running WDP&R task WDI with building attractions around their own horrible ideas. Honestly, if someone came to me demanding a Monsters Inc attraction and then telling me it had to be based around the Living Character program, I'd probably make it the worst attraction possible out of spite.

1st.
Marty Sklar didn't need to go, he went voluntarily...

2nd.
[FONT=verdana, helvetica, arial, sans-serif]John Lasseter was hired as head of Disney Feature Animation and not Walt Disney Imagineering, and has only one thing on his mind, boosting the PIXAR product... and[/FONT] as the new CEO comes from the same "family", the outcome is clear.

3nd.
The [FONT=verdana, helvetica, arial, sans-serif]legacy of Imagineering isn't rooted in logic and economic realities.[/FONT]
[FONT=verdana, helvetica, arial, sans-serif]It's about unbridled inventiveness, and coming up with surprising new ways to have fun. [/FONT][FONT=verdana, helvetica, arial, sans-serif]The company could use a little of that right now.[/FONT]
"Rebuilding Tomorrowland" never meant transforming into Pixar, unfortunally it all got out of hand and is irreversable.

4th
At 100,000 square feet, "theme parks in a box" could be built in 50 to 100 places around the world, planners figured, while there aren't nearly as many attractive places to plunk down the traditional 100-acre theme park.

[FONT=verdana, helvetica, arial, sans-serif]5th.[/FONT]
[FONT=verdana, helvetica, arial, sans-serif]For Disney, the frightening thing may be that it's not just Imagineering veterans who long for the good old days, but customers, too... Which is already in development...[/FONT]

 

[Champion]

Can't agree with that statement. Things were going south after the go.com failure. 9/11 just expedited the bleeding when it yanked the only reliable source of cash flow in the company (theme parks) out from under them. And then there's that Fox Family fiasco. $5 billion for a failed cable network? You gotta be kidding. For all the criticism Iger gets for paying out the nose for Pixar, at least he has a beautiful creative campus and some of the greatest films of all time to show for it.

Go.com failing was not Eisner's fault, if you remember the entire internet economy went bust at that time.

$5b for Fox Family would have been steep, if that was the only thing they got. They acquired a bit more in that deal. The ratings on ABC Family now are not that bad, the deal isn't a complete bust. Might I mention, that at the time of that deal, who was running ABC? Bob Iger. So he would have brought it to Eisner.

You mean the Pixar movies he ALREADY had the rights to? Oh. Ok. He didn't do the deal for those. Those belonged to TWDC. They did the deal for the newer stuff. And we'll see where that goes once we finally get one, which would be the movie after Toy Story 3.

I could write a lot more, but its been posted here hundreds of times. Eisner overstayed his welcome and karma bit him in the ______.

No, karma is coming to bite those people who profess to love TWDC, but only really want it to do a small list of certain things. You wanted Eisner gone, and now you've got the legion of goons who are in control now.

 

[imagineer boy]

Gosh, at times like this I really wish there was something I could do. But there isn't. :brick: It makes me mad really.

 

[unkadug]

..."Rebuilding Tomorrowland" never meant transforming into Pixar, unfortunally it all got out of hand and is irreversable....

Thanks for confirming what I suspected, that there's no such thing as a temporary attraction.

So it's also safe to assume that Pooh's Playful Spot is irreversable and will be there for the duration?

 

[Tim G]

Go.com failing was not Eisner's fault, if you remember the entire internet economy went bust at that time.

Right!

$5b for Fox Family would have been steep, if that was the only thing they got. They acquired a bit more in that deal. The ratings on ABC Family now are not that bad, the deal isn't a complete bust. Might I mention, that at the time of that deal, who was running ABC? Bob Iger. So he would have brought it to Eisner.

Right!!

You mean the Pixar movies he ALREADY had the rights to? Oh. Ok. He didn't do the deal for those. Those belonged to TWDC. They did the deal for the newer stuff. And we'll see where that goes once we finally get one, which would be the movie after Toy Story 3.

Right!!!

No, karma is coming to bite those people who profess to love TWDC, but only really want it to do a small list of certain things. You wanted Eisner gone, and now you've got the legion of goons who are in control now.

RIGHT!!!! :sohappy: :sohappy: :sohappy:

I rest my case...