Rapunzel's tower has arrived.

[Clyde]

I don't think anyone is mad about the bathroom. People are just dissatisfied with the attractions Disney has opened in the last few years. For a long time, there was nothing. And when they finally unveiled their big project it turned out to be nice-looking but very modest in scope. Especially given how long it took to build it. So when you see a highly themed bathroom, you wonder why Disney is spending resources on that rather than more attractions.

Doubling the size of Dumbo(with an air conditioned play land to wait on line in) adding a dark ride, and a new roller coaster with a never before seen ride system on top of the most elaborate story immersion landscape design in MK history and this isn't good enough?
Plus we get a restaurant (two really with Gastons) where we literally get to enter a beloved scene from one of the most popular Disney movies and have a meal. Add to that the most beautiful bathrooms of all time and the interactive Belle attraction.
I seriously have no idea what it would take to please some people. Maybe if they handed everyone fifty bucks and a mickey mouse ice cream bar when they entered the FLE area. naaaah. They would call Disney cheap and wonder why it wasn't a hundred and a Turkey leg.

 

[lazyboy97o]

The an absurd statement and argument. Nothing competes with the castle. You're reaching. Stop being such a bummer man. the Tower is awesome ! One of the best aesthetic improvements in a long time and right on par with the the FLE details.

You are the one who described the Tower as a landmark reaching out into different lands.

Doa new roller coaster with a never before seen ride system on top of the most elaborate story immersion landscape design in MK history and this isn't good enough?

The Seven Dwarfs Mine Train is only never before seen in the specific means of how the tilting is achieved. Tilting coasters already exist and many expected Disney to buy an existing system when the ride was announced.

That the Fantasyland expansion can so easily be claimed as the highest level of design in the Magic Kingdom (not that I would completely agree) is itself a sign of how far the park has been allowed to stagnate.

 

[Animaniac93-98]

So when you see a highly themed bathroom, you wonder why Disney is spending resources on that rather than more attractions.

I see this point too, though. What if instead of building this facility they just convereted the old skyway building into a restroom (though I don't know how possible that was) and spent the rest of this budget plussing the interior of TLM ride? I think everyone (even the average WDW guest) would have preferred something like that as the money would have gone to something arguably more meaningful.

 

[Turtle]

the most elaborate story immersion landscape design in MK history

i'm excited for the mine train, but you're exaggerating it WAY too much.

 

[td1129]

Doubling the size of Dumbo(with an air conditioned play land to wait on line in) adding a dark ride, and a new roller coaster with a never before seen ride system on top of the most elaborate story immersion landscape design in MK history and this isn't good enough?
Plus we get a restaurant (two really with Gastons) where we literally get to enter a beloved scene from one of the most popular Disney movies and have a meal. Add to that the most beautiful bathrooms of all time and the interactive Belle attraction.
I seriously have no idea what it would take to please some people. Maybe if they handed everyone fifty bucks and a mickey mouse ice cream bar when they entered the FLE area. naaaah. They would call Disney cheap and wonder why it wasn't a hundred and a Turkey leg.

This board is a truly remarkable place. I honestly think there are several universal trolls and that makes it extra sad.

 

[harveyt0206]

*steps in to thread to see pictures of the new tower...looks around and realizes the thread is scary and runs off to find a nice, calm thread about using ten year old mugs or ECVs*

 

[donaldtoo]

Why is it that this whole thread just makes me wanna' go take a good looooong crap?
BBIAB...

 

[ScoutN]

I'd really like to keep reading this thread, but I can't see the posts because of the huge elephant in the room blocking my screen.

Isn't it time yet?

I feel that this elephant is not photos of the MAGICal new Dumbo location.

To stay with the theme of the boards...

 

[donaldtoo]

Woof. That took longer than I thought.

 

[marni1971]

Doubling the size of Dumbo(with an air conditioned play land to wait on line in) adding a dark ride, and a new roller coaster with a never before seen ride system on top of the most elaborate story immersion landscape design in MK history and this isn't good enough?
Plus we get a restaurant (two really with Gastons) where we literally get to enter a beloved scene from one of the most popular Disney movies and have a meal. Add to that the most beautiful bathrooms of all time and the interactive Belle attraction.
I seriously have no idea what it would take to please some people. Maybe if they handed everyone fifty bucks and a mickey mouse ice cream bar when they entered the FLE area. naaaah. They would call Disney cheap and wonder why it wasn't a hundred and a Turkey leg.

Don't get too excited about the coaster. And please... Gastons is a fast food bar with barely enough seating.

The issue is how much money FLE has cost compared to how much its worth. Basically, way too expensive for the end result. Add to that the long, long list of withstanding problems elsewhere and FLE could be seen as too little too late. As nice as it is.

 

[lebeau]

Doubling the size of Dumbo(with an air conditioned play land to wait on line in) adding a dark ride, and a new roller coaster with a never before seen ride system on top of the most elaborate story immersion landscape design in MK history and this isn't good enough?
Plus we get a restaurant (two really with Gastons) where we literally get to enter a beloved scene from one of the most popular Disney movies and have a meal. Add to that the most beautiful bathrooms of all time and the interactive Belle attraction.
I seriously have no idea what it would take to please some people. Maybe if they handed everyone fifty bucks and a mickey mouse ice cream bar when they entered the FLE area. naaaah. They would call Disney cheap and wonder why it wasn't a hundred and a Turkey leg.

You have put the most positive spin possible on the FLE. Another way of looking at it is that they spent years on an expansion that has yet to add a single new attraction to the park. And the budget for the most ambitious part of the expansion (which is still under construction) has been dramatically slashed.

The truth is in the middle. There are unquestionable nice additions included in the expansion. But having seen the expansion for myself, I can tell you it's very modest in scope. It's very pretty, but there just isn't much to do there. Unless you have dinner at BOG, you'll blow through it in a couple of hours assuming you take your time.

What I take issue with is your attitude that anyone who provides an unbiased assessment of the FLE (or Disney) can't be pleased. Do you believe this myth or are you just trying to discredit everyone who's opinion differs from your own?

 

[Clyde]

You are the one who described the Tower as a landmark reaching out into different lands.


The Seven Dwarfs Mine Train is only never before seen in the specific means of how the tilting is achieved. Tilting coasters already exist and many expected Disney to buy an existing system when the ride was announced.

That the Fantasyland expansion can so easily be claimed as the highest level of design in the Magic Kingdom (not that I would completely agree) is itself a sign of how far the park has been allowed to stagnate.

It's on par with the Harry Potter design which gets so much accolade. All HP did was add one ride, and include two others that were already there. Could you imagine how you would react if Disney chose to include two rides, add one and call it a new experience? LOL

 

[Clyde]

i'm excited for the mine train, but you're exaggerating it WAY too much.

WAY too much? how did I do that? I said it's a roller coaster with a never before seen ride system. Is it not? Listen, I have obviously never been on the thing and may hate it when I finally do ride it. My point is it's literally impossible to discredit what it is before riding it. The Fact is that we are getting a new roller coaster that will be a brand new experience smack dab in the middle of fantasy land. Add to it that it's a mountain and a replacement for the SWSA which was old and tired. Everyone is such a poopy pants around here.

 

[Clyde]

You have put the most positive spin possible on the FLE. Another way of looking at it is that they spent years on an expansion that has yet to add a single new attraction to the park. And the budget for the most ambitious part of the expansion (which is still under construction) has been dramatically slashed.

The truth is in the middle. There are unquestionable nice additions included in the expansion. But having seen the expansion for myself, I can tell you it's very modest in scope. It's very pretty, but there just isn't much to do there. Unless you have dinner at BOG, you'll blow through it in a couple of hours assuming you take your time.

What I take issue with is your attitude that anyone who provides an unbiased assessment of the FLE (or Disney) can't be pleased. Do you believe this myth or are you just trying to discredit everyone who's opinion differs from your own?

LOL Yeah I guess I have. That's what's needed when the majority of people are trying to make it a bummer that the FLE even exists. And you have put a negative spin on it. Why is what I'm saying somehow less real than what you've said? Take the tower conversation, which is really what this thread is supposed to be about, ( )
Would we all like a Tangled attraction? Yep. Does it take away that they are beautifying an area which I have heard people complaining about for years with the old sky ride building? No.
It's a dammed if you do dammed if you don't scenario that is being presented.


I'll agree with what you said that it's somewhere in the middle though. I will choose to believe in the magic when I'm at the MK and allow myself to lean over toward the positive side (which is where I've spun it anyway) and enjoy myself as opposed to the grimace that comes with walking through FLE wishing it was better.

 

[Clyde]

Don't get too excited about the coaster. And please... Gastons is a fast food bar with barely enough seating.

The issue is how much money FLE has cost compared to how much its worth. Basically, way too expensive for the end result. Add to that the long, long list of withstanding problems elsewhere and FLE could be seen as too little too late. As nice as it is.

I always love the arguments people present about how much money corps pay for things. I could seriously care less. I hope FLE cost them $25 billion and the lake house in Tahoe. It's like my football msg board. Everyone complaining how much money a team pays for a player.I just don't care. Let the Billionaires pay what they pay.
Ticket prices go up no matter what and pretty regularly. If the park wasn't any good, people will stop going. Believe me. I'm a realist. I am not someone who drinks the cool-aid. I go where I want to go and I've gone to Universal plenty. I like what they are doing and if the new stuff they are building makes it more fun than WDW I will give my money to them.
I love WDW and I have the childhood connection piece going, but I just don't care how much money they spend. I like what they've done with the FLE and especially the Dumbo ride. Does no one remember what it was like to wait for that thing? Now it's twice as big and there is a whole interactive que thing happening.

And if I want to get excited about the coaster I will. Why shouldn't I ? Because the bummer squad around here told me not to? I love the barnstormer and am happy it's back. ( I have children) Why shouldn't I get excited about the mine coaster?

The only piece of your argument I will agree with is they could have done things elsewhere. I would have loved to see TL get a makeover but they didn't do that. That is no reason to dislike what they're doing in the FLE as a derivative.

 

[lazyboy97o]

It's on par with the Harry Potter design which gets so much accolade. All HP did was add one ride, and include two others that were already there. Could you imagine how you would react if Disney chose to include two rides, add one and call it a new experience? LOL

The Wizarding World of Harry Potter goes far beyond just the rides. It's a comprehensive experience that permeates the entire land, not just the rides.

WAY too much? how did I do that? I said it's a roller coaster with a never before seen ride system. Is it not?

Again, it is only never before seen in the specific means by which the tilting is achieved.

 

[lebeau]

LOL Yeah I guess I have. That's what's needed when the majority of people are trying to make it a bummer that the FLE even exists.

You seem like a reasonable guy. But I think you are misreading the room here. I haven't seen a single person act like it's a bummer that the FLE exists. Much less the majority. Even those who criticize it will acknowledge it looks great and is a nice addition. You're focusing on the negative which is kind of ironic.

And you have put a negative spin on it. Why is what I'm saying somehow less real than what you've said?

The thing is, I really haven't. I'm just reigning in some of the over-exhuberance. I've seen the FLE firsthand. It's nice. But nothing to plan a trip around. Disney should do things like the FLE. But they should also be doing more.

Take the tower conversation, which is really what this thread is supposed to be about, ( )
Would we all like a Tangled attraction? Yep. Does it take away that they are beautifying an area which I have heard people complaining about for years with the old sky ride building? No.
It's a dammed if you do dammed if you don't scenario that is being presented.

Not really. People aren't upset about the tower. They are upset by what Disney is not doing. It's really only damned if you don't. If they were keeping up the parks better, you wouldn't hear complaints about beautification projects. Well, not many anyway.

I'll agree with what you said that it's somewhere in the middle though. I will choose to believe in the magic when I'm at the MK and allow myself to lean over toward the positive side (which is where I've spun it anyway) and enjoy myself as opposed to the grimace that comes with walking through FLE wishing it was better.

I just got back from WDW and had a great trip. While I am there, I enjoy it just as much as you do. But that doesn't mean I'm just going to blindly praise Disney here. I am going to remain objective, but that doesn't negatively impact my enjoyment of the parks when I am there.

 

[flynnibus]

You must not follow this forum closely

I just spit out my drink.. literally.

When we talk about coming in blindly.. this exchange will go down as the #1 example. Way to go Patricia

 

[Clyde]

The Wizarding World of Harry Potter goes far beyond just the rides. It's a comprehensive experience that permeates the entire land, not just the rides.


Again, it is only never before seen in the specific means by which the tilting is achieved.

1. As does FLE. Thank you for supporting my original point.

2. Exactly what I said. It is a a never before seen system. I it helps you to point out that it's only the tilting mechanism which is original, that's perfectly ok, but it's exactly what I meant with my comment concerning it.

 

[mvieguy]

1. As does FLE. Thank you for supporting my original point.

2. Exactly what I said. It is a a never before seen system. I it helps you to point out that it's only the tilting mechanism which is original, that's perfectly ok, but it's exactly what I meant with my comment concerning it.

first of all I love both Universal and Disney, so I am not a Universal Troll nor a Disney Troll.

but lets be honest. aside from the Harry Potter ride, which is basically just an updated version of Spider man the ride, with an elaborate Que. the rest of the WWofHP is basically shops and the retheming of the flying unicorn, now the flight of the hippogriff, and the dueling dragons. outside of that, they built Hogsmead. thats about it. and there are many Sightline errors.

so to be honest. as nice as the wwofhp is. The new fantasyland is just as nice