Rapunzel's tower has arrived.

[lebeau]

1. As does FLE. Thank you for supporting my original point.

Just out of curiousity, have you experienced the FLE for yourself yet?

2. Exactly what I said. It is a a never before seen system. I it helps you to point out that it's only the tilting mechanism which is original, that's perfectly ok, but it's exactly what I meant with my comment concerning it.

Point being, very few will care about the mechanics of the tilting. To most guests, the mine train won't be revolutionary in any way.

The FLE really needs a great attraction to fill it out. I hope the mine coaster does that. But when you describe it as having a new ride system, you make it sound like something it is not.

 

[Clyde]

You seem like a reasonable guy. But I think you are misreading the room here. I haven't seen a single person act like it's a bummer that the FLE exists. Much less the majority. Even those who criticize it will acknowledge it looks great and is a nice addition. You're focusing on the negative which is kind of ironic.



The thing is, I really haven't. I'm just reigning in some of the over-exhuberance. I've seen the FLE firsthand. It's nice. But nothing to plan a trip around. Disney should do things like the FLE. But they should also be doing more.



Not really. People aren't upset about the tower. They are upset by what Disney is not doing. It's really only damned if you don't. If they were keeping up the parks better, you wouldn't hear complaints about beautification projects. Well, not many anyway.



I just got back from WDW and had a great trip. While I am there, I enjoy it just as much as you do. But that doesn't mean I'm just going to blindly praise Disney here. I am going to remain objective, but that doesn't negatively impact my enjoyment of the parks when I am there.

Fair enough. It's entirely possible that the negative is more glaring to me than the positive. I stumbled onto this site while excitedly researching my next WDW trip ( I go at least once a year) and found a lot of disdain toward all of the new things I was excited about.
That being said, even if I do "see" more negative than positive, I still believe that to be what's happening here. It's a bummer to come on to a WDW message board and see significant amounts of bashing going on toward pretty much every single thing that's been taking place.
Using the fact that Disney has let the parks go as a reason not to like what's going on now doesn't compute to me and is a negative way to look at things. Too little too late you say? yeah maybe. I choose to look at that exact same situation as better late than never. It's a basic philosophical difference in thinking.

And I envy your ability to see this all in a way that no one is upset about the tower or that no one is complaining about FLE.. I don't know how you can write that after reading this thread. but hey....
It's all good I suppose.
I like what's going on and can't wait to "use" the Tangled bathrooms right after drinking that new brew at Gastons. Then I'll ride the Barnstormer with my son (that was his first roller coaster ever) and fast pass Dumbo. Ahhhhhhhhh The little mermaid dark ride will be so welcome after only having PPF, IASW and TMAOWTP to bug out on in fantasyland. =)

I appreciate your point of view and also your ability to get it across. My original post to you was speaking to you about the general situation. Not necessarily toward you. I apologize if it seemed that way.

 

[lebeau]

first of all I love both Universal and Disney, so I am not a Universal Troll nor a Disney Troll.

but lets be honest. aside from the Harry Potter ride, which is basically just an updated version of Spider man the ride, with an elaborate Que. the rest of the WWofHP is basically shops and the retheming of the flying unicorn, now the flight of the hippogriff, and the dueling dragons. outside of that, they built Hogsmead. thats about it. and there are many Sightline errors.

so to be honest. as nice as the wwofhp is. The new fantasyland is just as nice

So you would put the LM ride up against FJ?

 

[Clyde]

Just out of curiousity, have you experienced the FLE for yourself yet?



Point being, very few will care about the mechanics of the tilting. To most guests, the mine train won't be revolutionary in any way.

The FLE really needs a great attraction to fill it out. I hope the mine coaster does that. But when you describe it as having a new ride system, you make it sound like something it is not.

It has a new ride system. Try as you may, you can not change that. Making it "sound" any way is not for me to do. It's the truth. The onus is not on me to credit or discredit anything. I merely mentioned that Disney created a new ride system that will go on a new roller coaster in the middle of Fantasyland. That is a fact. Anyone disputing it or trying to predict how someone will experience that ride when no one has ridden it yet is where this conversation gets silly. Let's look at it this way. Is it not an upgrade over the previous SW ride?

 

[lebeau]

Fair enough. It's entirely possible that the negative is more glaring to me than the positive. I stumbled onto this site while excitedly researching my next WDW trip ( I go at least once a year) and found a lot of disdain toward all of the new things I was excited about.
That being said, even if I do "see" more negative than positive, I still believe that to be what's happening here. It's a bummer to come on to a WDW message board and see significant amounts of bashing going on toward pretty much every single thing that's been taking place.
Using the fact that Disney has let the parks go as a reason not to like what's going on now doesn't compute to me and is a negative way to look at things. Too little too late you say? yeah maybe. I choose to look at that exact same situation as better late than never. It's a basic philosophical difference in thinking.

And I envy your ability to see this all in a way that no one is upset about the tower or that no one is complaining about FLE.. I don't know how you can write that after reading this thread. but hey....
It's all good I suppose.
I like what's going on and can't wait to "use" the Tangled bathrooms right after drinking that new brew at Gastons. Then I'll ride the Barnstormer with my son (that was his first roller coaster ever) and fast pass Dumbo. Ahhhhhhhhh The little mermaid dark ride will be so welcome after only having PPF, IASW and TMAOWTP to bug out on in fantasyland. =)

I appreciate your point of view and also your ability to get it across. My original post to you was speaking to you about the general situation. Not necessarily toward you. I apologize if it seemed that way.

No need to apologize. Like I said, you seem reasonable. I'm not at all offended by anything you have said.

I can see your point. If you're excitedly planning your trip, you don't want anyone throwing a wet blanket on your excitement. I have been there. I was planning my trip just as excitedly a month ago.

Reading this thread, I really can't recall one person saying one negative thing about the bathrooms other than pointing out that they are bathrooms and not the attractions we would prefer. What am I missing?

 

[Clyde]

first of all I love both Universal and Disney, so I am not a Universal Troll nor a Disney Troll.

but lets be honest. aside from the Harry Potter ride, which is basically just an updated version of Spider man the ride, with an elaborate Que. the rest of the WWofHP is basically shops and the retheming of the flying unicorn, now the flight of the hippogriff, and the dueling dragons. outside of that, they built Hogsmead. thats about it. and there are many Sightline errors.

so to be honest. as nice as the wwofhp is. The new fantasyland is just as nice

I'm not sure if this was really meant to reply to me or not.

 

[lebeau]

It has a new ride system. Try as you may, you can not change that. Making it "sound" any way is not for me to do. It's the truth. The onus is not on me to credit or discredit anything. I merely mentioned that Disney created a new ride system that will go on a new roller coaster in the middle of Fantasyland. That is a fact. Anyone disputing it or trying to predict how someone will experience that ride when no one has ridden it yet is where this conversation gets silly. Let's look at it this way. Is it not an upgrade over the previous SW ride?

Yes, I think it is an improvement over the old SW ride.

Let's look at it this way though. Couldn't we have had both?

 

[Clyde]

No need to apologize. Like I said, you seem reasonable. I'm not at all offended by anything you have said.

I can see your point. If you're excitedly planning your trip, you don't want anyone throwing a wet blanket on your excitement. I have been there. I was planning my trip just as excitedly a month ago.

Reading this thread, I really can't recall one person saying one negative thing about the bathrooms other than pointing out that they are bathrooms and not the attractions we would prefer. What am I missing?

How about being able to see it from the HM or FL to start.

 

[Clyde]

Yes, I think it is an improvement over the old SW ride.

Let's look at it this way though. Couldn't we have had both?

Not if you love princesses.... which I don't

 

[lebeau]

How about being able to see it from the HM or FL to start.

I think that's a pretty valid criticism. It doesn't bother me all that much personally, but I think it's worth discussing. Don't you?

 

[lebeau]

Not if you love princesses.... which I don't

Sure we could have. They could have left SW in place and located the princess meet and greets elsewhere.

 

[marni1971]

first of all I love both Universal and Disney, so I am not a Universal Troll nor a Disney Troll.

but lets be honest. aside from the Harry Potter ride, which is basically just an updated version of Spider man the ride, with an elaborate Que. the rest of the WWofHP is basically shops and the retheming of the flying unicorn, now the flight of the hippogriff, and the dueling dragons. outside of that, they built Hogsmead. thats about it. and there are many Sightline errors.

so to be honest. as nice as the wwofhp is. The new fantasyland is just as nice

Updated Spider-Man? I'm sorry, but you are completely wrong. Totally different ride systems. Layout. Execution. Design. Everything.

The new Fantasyland is no where near as elaborate. It's good, but not that good. Berms and hills cannot compete with architecture for mass detailing.

 

[danlb_2000]

Updated Spider-Man? I'm sorry, but you are completely wrong. Totally different ride systems. Layout. Execution. Design. Everything.

The new Fantasyland is no where near as elaborate. It's good, but not that good. Berms and hills cannot compete with architecture for mass detailing.

Totally agree with the first sentence, very different rides, I was going to reply to the OP on that one.

Question on the second part, where do you feel the architecture of FLE is lacking when compared to WWoHP?

 

[lazyboy97o]

1. As does FLE. Thank you for supporting my original point.

but lets be honest. aside from the Harry Potter ride, which is basically just an updated version of Spider man the ride, with an elaborate Que. the rest of the WWofHP is basically shops and the retheming of the flying unicorn, now the flight of the hippogriff, and the dueling dragons. outside of that, they built Hogsmead. thats about it. and there are many Sightline errors.

so to be honest. as nice as the wwofhp is. The new fantasyland is just as nice

Fantasyland is not nearly as comprehensive as the Wizarding World of Harry Potter. I think a good metric is the Thea Awards, given by others in the industry and not just fans. The Wizarding World received one not just for being a great new land, but a second for its food and retail experience. Comparatively Cars Land only received one for new land. The same is true of each land's big E-Ticket, two for Harry Potter and the Forbidden Journey and one for Radiator Springs Racers. If Fantasyland isn't even Cars Land, how does it beat out the Wizarding World. Just food is limited to Be Our Guest, with Gaston's featuring more popular items than unique, Provincial items.

Using the fact that Disney has let the parks go as a reason not to like what's going on now doesn't compute to me and is a negative way to look at things. Too little too late you say? yeah maybe. I choose to look at that exact same situation as better late than never. It's a basic philosophical difference in thinking.

Fantasyland is only amazing in comparison to the last several years at Walt Disney World. It does not hold that position when compared to what is happening elsewhere. Nobody is saying it not nice, but its not a sign of Disney again taking the lead or something truly epic.

 

[danlb_2000]

Fantasyland is not nearly as comprehensive as the Wizarding World of Harry Potter. I think a good metric is the Thea Awards, given by others in the industry and not just fans. The Wizarding World received one not just for being a great new land, but a second for its food and retail experience. Comparatively Cars Land only received one for new land. The same is true of each land's big E-Ticket, two for Harry Potter and the Forbidden Journey and one for Radiator Springs Racers. If Fantasyland isn't even Cars Land, how does it beat out the Wizarding World. Just food is limited to Be Our Guest, with Gaston's featuring more popular items than unique, Provincial items.

Fantasyland is only amazing in comparison to the last several years at Walt Disney World. It does not hold that position when compared to what is happening elsewhere. Nobody is saying it not nice, but its not a sign of Disney again taking the lead or something truly epic.

When comparing WWoHP to FLE my gut reaction has been that WWoHP is a better land then FLE and there are a good number of people here who have said the same. But when I think more logically about it I can't put my finger on why I feel that way. The only place where I can say WWoHP is the clear winner is in the signature attraction, Forbidden Journey is a far better and more innovative ride the Mermaid and from everything I have heard of the Mine Ride it won't be a match for FJ either. So, awards aside, what is it that makes WWoHP better?

Disclaimer: I have visited WWoHP in person but not FLE.

 

[mvieguy]

So you would put the LM ride up against FJ?

nope, because FJ target audience is harry Potter fans, which are genrally between the ages of 10 and up

LM target audience is little girls who love Little mermaid and all things Ariel.

completely two diffrent rides entirely

 

[bubbles1812]

nope, because FJ target audience is harry Potter fans, which are genrally between the ages of 10 and up

LM target audience is little girls who love Little mermaid and all things Ariel.

completely two diffrent rides entirely

You sure about that? Because that's no where near the truth.

 

[mvieguy]

Updated Spider-Man? I'm sorry, but you are completely wrong. Totally different ride systems. Layout. Execution. Design. Everything.

The new Fantasyland is no where near as elaborate. It's good, but not that good. Berms and hills cannot compete with architecture for mass detailing.

was refering to the way its Projected screen images against a simulation, while Spider Man uses an actual moving car, Potter is more so stationary

 

[mvieguy]

You sure about that? Because that's no where near the truth.

so what is the truth. I know 4 year olds who would want to spend more time in suess landing then WWOFHP

 

[WED Purist]

Point being, very few will care about the mechanics of the tilting. To most guests, the mine train won't be revolutionary in any way.

I would beg to differ with this one. The way the cart sits independent from the car causes your reaction to corners to be different that what you would expect or have experienced before. Also, the amount of sway can change depending on the weight of the occupants. I'm not saying this is a gnarly thrill ride, but I do believe that the mine train will be an unexpectedly pleasant surprise.