PUSH the Talking Trashcan's last day?

Nubs70

Nubs70

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As Disney, if I were in negotiations and someone tried the "blogger story plant" trick to try gain advantage over me, I would tell PUSH to go pound sand and show him the door. Getting 3rd parties involved to gain advantage is bad faith negotiating.
 
jlsHouston

jlsHouston

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At the end of the day Friday I was thinking all was well for PUSH, and we would seek him out this March. Now at the end of my day Monday I am sad to hear he is gone and I will never meet him:(
 
GrumpyFan

GrumpyFan

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Nubs70 said:
As Disney, if I were in negotiations and someone tried the "blogger story plant" trick to try gain advantage over me, I would tell PUSH to go pound sand and show him the door. Getting 3rd parties involved to gain advantage is bad faith negotiating.
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I would almost agree with you, except for the fact that Disney is a BIG company with lots of well-paid lawyers, and when trying to deal with them when you're a small company with maybe one lawyer to represent you against their TEAM, it doesn't exactly make for a level playing field. Just speculating here, but he may have felt like he needed some backing/justification to help get a leg up on them. Not that I think that's ethical or right in any way, but when you're fighting a giant that's 10 times your size, one might resort to unfair tactics to beat him.
 
jlsHouston

jlsHouston

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GrumpyFan said:
I would almost agree with you, except for the fact that Disney is a BIG company with lots of well-paid lawyers, and when trying to deal with them when you're a small company with maybe one lawyer to represent you against their TEAM, it doesn't exactly make for a level playing field. Just speculating here, but he may have felt like he needed some backing/justification to help get a leg up on them. Not that I think that's ethical or right in any way, but when you're fighting a giant that's 10 times your size, one might resort to unfair tactics to beat him.
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I had the David and Goliath analogy going in my head too.....
 
Nubs70

Nubs70

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GrumpyFan said:
I would almost agree with you, except for the fact that Disney is a BIG company with lots of well-paid lawyers, and when trying to deal with them when you're a small company with maybe one lawyer to represent you against their TEAM, it doesn't exactly make for a level playing field. Just speculating here, but he may have felt like he needed some backing/justification to help get a leg up on them. Not that I think that's ethical or right in any way, but when you're fighting a giant that's 10 times your size, one might resort to unfair tactics to beat him.
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The owner of PUSH must predetermine his BATNA, Best Alternative To Negotiated Agreement. If WDW fails to meet this level, PUSH will walk away in a professional manner. If you know what your minimum is, no company small or large will be able to roll you. Resorting to blogosphere assistance is bad faith and reeks of unprofessional, amateur desperation.
 
jlsHouston

jlsHouston

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Nubs70 said:
The owner of PUSH must predetermine his BATNA, Best Alternative To Negotiated Agreement. If WDW fails to meet this level, PUSH will walk away in a professional manner. If you know what your minimum is, no company small or large will be able to roll you. Resorting to blogosphere assistance is bad faith and reeks of unprofessional, amateur desperation.
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Well..I dunno I hear what you are saying and maybe it reaks of the amateur part, but my gut reaction is it reeks more of Goliath squashing David because David's stones just weren't big enough fast enough or soon enough....
 
Nubs70

Nubs70

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jlsHouston said:
Well..I dunno I hear what you are saying and maybe it reaks of the amateur part, but my gut reaction is it reeks more of Goliath squashing David because David's stones just weren't big enough fast enough or soon enough....
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The owner of PUSH fundamentally misunderstood his position. PUSH was a "nice to have" not a "need to have" in the eyes of his negotiating partners. He overreached badly.
 
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RSoxNo1

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DisneyGentleman said:
It's not as if PUSH requires some huge technological breakthrough or amazingly developed talent.

It's a trashcan on an RC base with a microphone and speaker. Some of the "talent" needs to get over themselves.

If I were a bird in the Tiki Room, I'd be pretty mad right now. They at least can sing.
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I know, seriously. It's not like it's Lights of Winter level of super technology.
 
yoda_5729

yoda_5729

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I'm sure many will jump on me for this, and once again I have no knowledge of what went on, but wasn't this thread started by a rumor cast members were discussing PUSH's cancellation. I fully understand the reasons for floating out an idea to blogs and others to try to get leverage in negotiations. However, that would have had zero affect on what was happening behind the scenes at WDW. Why were Tomorrowland employees confirming his cancellation, if the idea of his cancellation was just a hollow rumor floated out by the 3rd party, to scare Disney? Maybe I'm not seeing something, but the way I'm viewing this, it wasn't 100% a hollow rumor used to sway public opinion.
 
Nubs70

Nubs70

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yoda_5729 said:
I'm sure many will jump on me for this, and once again I have no knowledge of what went on, but wasn't this thread started by a rumor cast members were discussing PUSH's cancellation. I fully understand the reasons for floating out an idea to blogs and others to try to get leverage in negotiations. However, that would have had zero affect on what was happening behind the scenes at WDW. Why were Tomorrowland employees confirming his cancellation, if the idea of his cancellation was just a hollow rumor floated out by the 3rd party, to scare Disney? Maybe I'm not seeing something, but the way I'm viewing this, it wasn't 100% a hollow rumor used to sway public opinion.
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Blogger intervention very well may have killed PUSH. If WDW caves to the blogosphere with PUSH, where does it stop?
 
Cesar R M

Cesar R M

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GrumpyFan said:
I would almost agree with you, except for the fact that Disney is a BIG company with lots of well-paid lawyers, and when trying to deal with them when you're a small company with maybe one lawyer to represent you against their TEAM, it doesn't exactly make for a level playing field. Just speculating here, but he may have felt like he needed some backing/justification to help get a leg up on them. Not that I think that's ethical or right in any way, but when you're fighting a giant that's 10 times your size, one might resort to unfair tactics to beat him.
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pretty sure disney is 3000x the size. (second to noone in entertainment now)
 
yoda_5729

yoda_5729

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Nubs70 said:
Blogger intervention very well may have killed PUSH. If WDW caves to the blogosphere with PUSH, where does it stop?
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My question though is....was it not WDW the blogs were citing and not the 3rd Party?
If the blogs were informed of anything, they were citing the Disney corporation, through their employees?

Post #1 in this thread from Member Tori...
Orlando Attractions Magazine heard from cast members it may be PUSH's last day on Saturday.
Anyone know if this is true?
 

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