Proof of Vaccination or Negative COVID Test required for theme parks soon?

[Disney Irish]

I get that. I've read all the same articles that everyone else has read.

But I don't think it's a good excuse for not getting vaccinated against Covid, or Measles, or Polio, or Shingles, or the Flu.

In fact, it seems really idiotic to me. But, in the defense of people who choose to not get vaccinated, I do think it is their right to choose to not get vaccinated. But I personally choose differently.

What's interesting though in Los Angeles is that all those folks who aren't vaccinated are not supposed to get into restaurants or bars or theme parks. And on the flip side, I don't think that's right either. If they willingly choose to not get vaccinated in late 2021, they must have a firmly held belief about it. So I don't think it's fair to prevent those people from taking part in society or going shopping or to Universal Studios. I don't happen to agree with their medical decision, but I support their right to make that decision and live with it.

Except if you really understood you wouldn't be questioning WHY they aren't getting vaccinated, or calling it idiotic.

We have systemic problems in this country with a lot of issues that are many decades old still being fought today. These are not issues solved overnight or just easily swept under the rug because we want to get back to "normal".

 

[TP2000]

IN-N-OUT stepping up to the tyrants

And they make a great point- if the government wants this so bad then let’s them send employees to every place of business instead of having private businesses and their employees do their dirty work. Oh- you don’t have the resources? Neither do the restaurants, movie theaters, gyms etc. Nor is it their job.

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Good for them for standing up for themselves!

I agree, a burger stand is in the business of selling cheeseburgers. It should not be in the business of policing vaccination status of employees and customers. I'm going to stop by In-N-Out for a meal this week to thank them.

Speaking of that... what's the latest on Disneyland Cast Members? Do they have a vaccine mandate in order to work at Disneyland? I've lost track of where they landed on that.

 

[TP2000]

Except if you really understood you wouldn't be questioning WHY they aren't getting vaccinated, or calling it idiotic.

We have systemic problems in this country with a lot of issues that are many decades old still being fought today. These are not issues solved overnight or just easily swept under the rug because we want to get back to "normal".

So wait, when a working class white person in Idaho chooses to not get vaccinated it's bad. But when a working class Latino in Santa Ana chooses to not get vaccinated it's okay?

Either way, it's a human who is choosing to be unvaccinated.

 

[Disney Irish]

So wait, when a Trump voter chooses to not get vaccinated it's bad. But when a working class Latino chooses to not get vaccinated it's okay?

Except the differences between those two are Grand Canyon sized proportions.

 

[TP2000]

Except the differences between those two are Grand Canyon sized proportions.

Kind of. A growing number of Latinos voted for Trump in 2020 and are leaving the Democrats, so it's not as clear as it used to be.

So I just changed it to a white working class person in Idaho, versus a Latino working class person in Santa Ana. Taking their political labels (that are increasingly similar) out of the equation.

The unvaccinated white guy in Idaho is bad, but the unvaccinated Latino in Santa Ana is cool?

 

[Disney Irish]

Agreed. I just changed it to a white working class person in Idaho, versus a Latino working class person in Santa Ana.

The unvaccinated white guy in Idaho is bad, but the unvaccinated Latino in Santa Ana is cool?

Again you fail to understand the basic premise here. Its not x is bad and y is good. Its understanding why specific minority groups are hesitant to trust a system that has failed them for many generations. Doesn't matter that "its a free shot that is handed out with a Big Mac" as you keep touting. If you've been slapped down by the system your whole life you aren't likely to trust something given out by that same system even if it is free.

 

[TP2000]

Again you fail to understand the basic premise here. Its not x is bad and y is good. Its understanding why specific minority groups are hesitant to trust a system that has failed them for many generations. Doesn't matter that "its a free shot that is handed out with a Big Mac" as you keep touting. If you've been slapped down by the system your whole life you aren't likely to trust something given out by that same system even if it is free.

I just think that's a silly excuse created by out of touch elites in the media and academia. It doesn't appear to reflect the reality on the ground.

So all those non-whites who haven't gotten a Covid shot also don't have a Polio shot or a Measles shot or a Tetanus shot? I find that very, very hard to believe.

 

[TP2000]

As for Disneyland, they've really gone silent on vaccine mandates since claiming back in July that all non-union employees in Anaheim had to be vaccinated by October 1st.

Disney to Mandate COVID-19 Vaccinations for All U.S. Staffers

Staff working on-site will have 60 days to get their jab, and the Hollywood giant is in talks with unionized workers about the requirement.

www.hollywoodreporter.com

Something tells me they backed off that rule by the time they got to October 1st. Also, apparently Covid doesn't affect you if you pay union dues?

I can't find any news on Disneyland firing unvaccinated employees in Anaheim, or the Walt Disney Company firing any unvaccinated employees in Burbank. We're almost three weeks past their self-imposed deadline but the news from Disney on employee vaccination has gone totally silent in the last 45 days.

That tells you something.

 

[TP2000]

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So why do these people get to choose without losing their job? Weird.

That post failed to mention the United States Postal Service. The USPS union kicked up a fuss and the federal government backed down; no vaccine required for postal service employees.

Again, if you pay union dues apparently Covid doesn't get you? That's odd.

 

[Disney Irish]

I just think that's a silly excuse created by out of touch elites in the media and academia. It doesn't appear to reflect the reality on the ground.

So all those non-whites who haven't gotten a Covid shot also don't have a Polio shot or a Measles shot or a Tetanus shot? I find that very, very hard to believe.

Just because you find it hard to believe doesn't mean that isn't the reality. You yourself have touted how you live in the world of social elites. So your reality isn't the same as someone who lives in Imperial Courts in Watts or the barrios of East LA.

 

[TP2000]

Just because you find it hard to believe doesn't mean that isn't the reality. You yourself have touted how you live in the world of social elites.

Social elites?

I live in Villa Park. It's a bog standard upper-middle class American suburb. It's nothing special, and it's nothing elite. It has nice tract homes with green lawns, we have a Ralph's Fresh Fare and a Dunkin' Donuts and two nail salons. It's not elite when compared to the truly elite, or even the lower-upper class.

Luckily, I have carved out some fun friends who have created a good dinner party and cocktail circuit. With green lawns in nice tract homes.

But social elites??? We've never had Mark Zuckerberg at our parties, we just talk about the latest cat videos that Mark Zuckerberg allows us to see.

Full Disclosure: We don't actually talk about Facebook cat videos at dinner parties, life isn't quite that boring here among the suburban non-elite. But you get my point.

 

[Bullseye1967]

Just because you find it hard to believe doesn't mean that isn't the reality. You yourself have touted how you live in the world of social elites. So your reality isn't the same as someone who lives in Imperial Courts in Watts or the barrios of East LA.

So their children aren't vaccinated for Polio, MMR, small pox? They don't go to school? How can this be correct?

 

[TP2000]

So their children aren't vaccinated for Polio, MMR, small pox? They don't go to school? How can this be correct?

Thank you! You said that better than I did.

People who choose to not get a Covid vaccine in late 2021 are apparently living outside the bounds of American society. Their children don't attend school? They view doctor's as mystic forces that can't be approached? They are unvaccinated against Polio and Measles and Tetanus? Unvaccinated against Diptheria, Rubella and Pertussis? And yet they live and work in American society of the 21st century?

Something is not adding up here.

 

[Parteecia]

And I lied. I feel myself getting pulled back in against my better judgment.

Trying not to push fair use too far, more quotes from the Times article:

"The Covid States team shared with me more than a thousand comments from unvaccinated people who were surveyed. Scrolling through them, I noticed a lot more fear than certainty. There was the very, very rare “it’s a hoax” and “it’s a gene therapy,” but most of it was a version of: I’m not sure it’s safe. Was it developed too fast? Do we know enough? There was also a lot of fear of side effects, worries about lack of Food and Drug Administration approval and about yet-undiscovered dangers.
...
"It’s easy to say that all these people should have been more informed or sought advice from a medical provider, except that many have no health care provider. As of 2015, one quarter of the population in the United States had no primary health care provider to turn to for trusted advice.

"Along with the recognition of greater risk, access to regular health care may be an important explanation of why those over 65 are the most-vaccinated demographic in the country. They have Medicare. That might have increased their immunity against the Fox News scare stories.
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"Plus, let’s face it, interacting with the medical system can be stress-inducing even for many of us with health insurance. Any worry about long-term side effects is worsened by a system in which even a minor illness can produce unpredictable and potentially huge expenses."

Interestingly, she also mentions that as many as 25% of people have a needle phobia which causes about 16% to avoid any shots.

Let's see if I can stay bowed out.

 

[MoonRakerSCM]

I am idiotically afraid of needles. Never give blood and freak out when it's my annual check up MASSIVE NEEDLE to take blood time.

I got it.

 

[Californian Elitist]

Again you fail to understand the basic premise here. Its not x is bad and y is good. Its understanding why specific minority groups are hesitant to trust a system that has failed them for many generations. Doesn't matter that "its a free shot that is handed out with a Big Mac" as you keep touting. If you've been slapped down by the system your whole life you aren't likely to trust something given out by that same system even if it is free.

You’re wasting your time, I’m afraid.

 

[Disney Irish]

So their children aren't vaccinated for Polio, MMR, small pox? They don't go to school? How can this be correct?

And just because their kids, or even themselves, might have been vaccinated for certain things for school doesn't mean they seek treatment for other things regularly or even trust a system that still constantly fails them.

I grew up going to one of the largest high schools in California at the time, over 4k students, very large Hispanic population. You'd be surprised but a large portion of kids from the Hispanic population had never been to the doctor outside of getting those initial shots for school. Most common answer when asked why, "My family never goes to the doctor, when someone goes to the doctor they die. So we just never go."

You're dealing with generations and generation of mistrust in a system that fails them. You can't break that stigma overnight.

 

[Disney Irish]

You’re wasting your time, I’m afraid.

I'm aware, but still got to try and educated the uninformed.

 

[Parteecia]

And just because their kids, or even themselves, might have been vaccinated for certain things for school doesn't mean they seek treatment for other things regularly or even trust a system that still constantly fails them.

I grew up going to one of the largest high schools in California at the time, over 4k students, very large Hispanic population. You'd be surprised but a large portion of kids from the Hispanic population had never been to the doctor outside of getting those initial shots for school. Most common answer when asked why, "My family never goes to the doctor, when someone goes to the doctor they die. So we just never go."

You're dealing with generations and generation of mistrust in a system that fails them. You can't break that stigma overnight.

Sadly, that was my childhood training. You went to a doctor for a birth certificate or a death certificate. I lived with serious illnesses for over a decade before I got a good real job with good health insurance and I could get necessary surgeries. My white middle class boyfriend helped introduce me to the world of medical care.

 

[MoonRakerSCM]

So... What people here are saying is... Anti-vaxxer = bad... Unless it doesn't.

This place amazes me.