Price Hikes Galore! (Genie+ variable pricing, ILL, refillable mugs, SWGE lightsaber and droids)

[Disstevefan1]

Listen i get all of that but what im saying is they basically can build a nee ride and literally charge people to ride it and have a good chunk of their investment back directly from charging for the ride… its a win win when you sit back and think about it. These parks are so underbuilt it doesnt matter what they build it will not be enough anytime soon. This way you add to your portfolio and have suckas like us pay for it and give people a better experience & can really start jacking prices up lol

I get you; they can build new rides and immediately charge to ride it.
And new rides can be ILL only; you want to ride you must pay.
Who knows? Maybe someday standby will be eliminated.
You wanna ride, you can take your chances with pay one price Genie+ or pay per ride with ILL.

 

[crazy4disney]

But for that ride to exist, they have to plan, design and then actually build it - all of which cost money they clearly have no interest in spending to expand the parks. Add to that, the idea that it'll take between 5-10 years before they start seeing any return on that investment and that a $300 million attraction will take a lot of ILLs to pay off and I don't think they care to bother.

I'm with you. I fully agree with what you're saying and I think that would be a way to still overcharge but at least with an eye to the future but I don't think things like legacy and long-term future matter to this management.

Unfortuna

It’s not you personally…but this is becoming a standard, fan desire refrain. It’s being repeated a lot on threads.

“We’ll get new stuff…we’ll just have to pay for it”

That’s not what the Street wants. They want more money off old, paid for stuff. They don’t want $20 a head off new rides that cost a billion and require new college programmers, mechanics and spare parts.

Exactly.

Trust me i get it. I work on Wall St. But all
Im saying along with what you are is they have a chance to print money in a way a theme park was never really able to do imo. If they can find ways to simply build them w/o pi$$ing away 100’s of millions to build something it as i said could work ….

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

I get you; they can build new rides and immediately charge to ride it.
And new rides can be ILL only; you want to ride you must pay.
Who knows? Maybe someday standby will be eliminated.
You wanna ride, you can take your chances with pay one price Genie+ or pay per ride with ILL.

You’ve kinda lost it.

You want to pay a $200 “gate fee” and THEN a la carte for the rides?

You know the $250 at discovery cove actually gets you some stuff, right?


…is there a $50 surcharge to access the website to make dining reservations at pecos bills?

…I mean…at least, right?

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Unfortuna

Trust me i get it. I work on Wall St. But all
Im saying along with what you are is they have a chance to print money in a way a theme park was never really able to do imo. If they can find ways to simply build them w/o pi$$ing away 100’s of millions to build something it as i said could work ….

So you know the game…but you want a fan service utopia in the swamp?


…I thought “the game” wanted dividends more?

 

[Disstevefan1]

You’ve kinda lost it.

You want to pay a $200 “gate fee” and THEN a la carte for the rides?

You know the $250 at discovery cove actually gets you some stuff, right?


…is there a $50 surcharge to access the website to make dining reservations at pecos bills?

…I mean…at least, right?

Not saying I want that to happen for sure! Just saying I would not be surprised.

 

[crazy4disney]

So you know the game…but you want a fan service utopia in the swamp?


…I thought “the game” wanted dividends more?

As i said i truly think this is yet another unique situation only Disney can get away with IF executed properly & in a timely & affordable fashion. Lets face it people will pay & they can nickel & dime you all day long like a casino does w/o using cash hence why they use chip disney uses magic bands lol…

 

[Jviera1298]

Just have to ask. It seems those that find Disney as the best option have young kids. IMO it's why Disney will always do well.

For my family Disney isn't much of an option now cause my step son who is 15 wants thrill rides.

We do have 2 young girls so Disney is right our family's wheelhouse. But my wife and I have been coming to Disney since before kids - and if we didn't have kids we would still choose Disney first. There's just something about the atmosphere inside the Disney bubble for us. And even though that costs more now and they might cut some corners they didn't use to - we don't feel the same way when we're anywhere else. A cruise would be our next favorite - mostly because we just want to relax and not have to deal with too many curveballs when we're on vacation. Once were inside Disney or on a cruise we know we can do 7-14 days with few or no real issues and enjoy ourselves. I understand that doesn't work for everyone - but looking at Disney's supply and demand scenario I would say there are plenty of people who feel the same way as us.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

As i said i truly think this is yet another unique situation only Disney can get away with IF executed properly & in a timely & affordable fashion. Lets face it people will pay & they can nickel & dime you all day long like a casino does w/o using cash hence why they use chip disney uses magic bands lol…

…I’m with Pomey on this one…they’d rather make less and say it cost them nothing…sad but true

 

[MrPromey]

... There's just something about the atmosphere inside the Disney bubble for us. And even though that costs more now and they might cut some corners they didn't use to - we don't feel the same way when we're anywhere else....

Serous question:

What would it take for your feeling about the "atmosphere" to change?

Seeing garbage in places you didn't used to? Walking by the same place a few hours later and seeing the same garbage laying around?

Lines 3x longer than you experience today?

Prices 4x higher than today?

... Walking through Fantasyland minding your own business when a brawl breaks out around you?

For you and yours, is there any sort of breaking point or do you consider it something that'll never happen?

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Serous question:

What would it take for your feeling about the "atmosphere" to change?

Seeing garbage in places you didn't used to? Walking by the same place a few hours later and seeing the same garbage laying around?

Lines 3x longer than you experience today?

Prices 4x higher than today?

... Walking through Fantasyland minding your own business when a brawl breaks out around you?

For you and yours, is there any sort of breaking point or do you consider it something that'll never happen?

Disney has strong brand pull. So it’s “baked in” depending on where your priorities lie…

We all understand that. Sometimes the “bridge too far” doesn’t actually exist.

 

[MrPromey]

Disney has strong brand pull. So it’s “baked in” depending on where your priorities lie…

We all understand that. Sometimes the “bridge too far” doesn’t actually exist.

That's what I'm curious about.

Like they mention the atmosphere and to me, our last dozen trips to the parks have been crowds that are difficult to navigate, no place to stop and sit and in the case of world showcase, trash can top dining and horrible views along with increasingly rude and aggressive people everywhere.*

Atmosphere used to be something I'd have listed as a major plus, too but it's been a good few years since I've felt anything remotely relaxing and calming about Disney parks except for like maybe after they're technically closed and you straggle your way out where there is nothing open and nothing to do.


*and I think - but maybe I'm being too generous to humanity and too hard on Disney - that the reason people are ruder and more aggressive is they're stressed out by the atmosphere, too, and feeling like they need to do everything in their power to make the money and effort they've put into being there feel worth it while having to move like a salmon upstream to get places a big chunk of the time.

 

[Chi84]

Disney has strong brand pull. So it’s “baked in” depending on where your priorities lie…

We all understand that. Sometimes the “bridge too far” doesn’t actually exist.

Not everyone cares about brand pull. Some people go because they actually still enjoy it. I agree that the experience is not what it once was, especially when it comes to the aspect of being an all-inclusive vacation, but the breaking point will be different for everyone.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Not everyone cares about brand pull. Some people go because they actually still enjoy it. I agree that the experience is not what it once was, especially when it comes to the aspect of being an all-inclusive vacation, but the breaking point will be different for everyone.

Thanks, but not applicable. The question was “at what point does it lose appeal?”

My opinion - just that - is that brand pull is enough in some cases where it actually isn’t about “it”.

And honestly…I can understand that. It’s very potent.

It wasn’t to dispute…whatever it is you jumped in to try to say…

 

[Chi84]

Thanks, but not applicable. The question was “at what point does it lose appeal?”

My opinion - just that - is that brand pull is enough in some cases where it actually isn’t about “it”.

And honestly…I can understand that. It’s very potent.

It wasn’t to dispute…whatever it is you jumped in to try to say…

I was just saying that, in my opinion, brand pull is rarely if ever enough. It loses its appeal at different points for different people.

You jumped in to answer MrPromey’s question to Jviera1298. I just had a different answer.

 

[Jviera1298]

That's what I'm curious about.

Like they mention the atmosphere and to me, our last dozen trips to the parks have been crowds that are difficult to navigate, no place to stop and sit and in the case of world showcase, trash can top dining and horrible views along with increasingly rude and aggressive people everywhere.*

Atmosphere used to be something I'd have listed as a major plus, too but it's been a good few years since I've felt anything remotely relaxing and calming about Disney parks except for like maybe after they're technically closed and you straggle your way out where there is nothing open and nothing to do.


*and I think - but maybe I'm being too generous to humanity and too hard on Disney - that the reason people are ruder and more aggressive is they're stressed out by the atmosphere, too, and feeling like they need to do everything in their power to make the money and effort they've put into being there feel worth it while having to move like a salmon upstream to get places a big chunk of the time.

I think if you go into it wanting to feel like that, you will. Or maybe if the money to go to Disney is a hardship, you would feel like Disney owed you more than you are getting. But, honestly, I dont agree on any of those points. The crowds have always been there and they aren't difficult to navigate. I haven't found myself eating on top of a trashcan in years - and we eat and drink around the world a LOT. There are far more tables in World Showcase now than there used to be. We also travel with my MIL some trips who has trouble walking too long before needing to sit - we can always find a place to sit if we spend 30 seconds or so looking. The views are still wonderful if you don't spend every second staring angrily at the barges. I have had very few (and no serious) issues with rude or aggressive people. The occasional inconsiderate person yes, but it doesn't ruin my day and it isn't Disney's fault. By and large I still find most people are still having an enjoyable time and are respectful (certainly a better percentage inside Disney than I see outside Disney).

If you want to go there and see all the bad things, that's your prerogative. If you want to dwell on the price and/or look for the negative aspects, you'll find them. You'll find them on any vacation. My question would be what are doing focusing on that on your vacation? Seems like a waste of time and energy (and money!) to me.

I choose to enjoy any vacation I take - and I find it incredibly easy to enjoy Disney World.

 

[Jviera1298]

Serous question:

What would it take for your feeling about the "atmosphere" to change?

Seeing garbage in places you didn't used to? Walking by the same place a few hours later and seeing the same garbage laying around?

Lines 3x longer than you experience today?

Prices 4x higher than today?

... Walking through Fantasyland minding your own business when a brawl breaks out around you?

For you and yours, is there any sort of breaking point or do you consider it something that'll never happen?

I cant say for sure where the breaking point would be. I know Disney parks are still exceptionally clean compared to most other busy places I visit. The lines haven't materially changed for us in the last decade, in fact we can get on rides with the new system that we always used to skip due to long lines (for a price, yes). Prices would have to get a lot higher to be the reason we stopped going - I put a premium on "best" and until I find a better experience for a week or two then I will keep paying.

The brawl thing is nothing - that could happen anywhere (also that wasnt a brawl, it was a few people slapping each other). I spend a month or so out of every year in Disney and have never witnessed a brawl or even a good slap fight. When you have 30-60k people in every park each day of course sometimes things like that will happen with some people who probably shouldnt be there. Just dont be one of those people and you wont be part of it Id actually enjoy watching one though if we're being honest.

 

[RobWDW1971]

I think if you go into it wanting to feel like that, you will. Or maybe if the money to go to Disney is a hardship, you would feel like Disney owed you more than you are getting. But, honestly, I dont agree on any of those points. The crowds have always been there and they aren't difficult to navigate. I haven't found myself eating on top of a trashcan in years - and we eat and drink around the world a LOT. There are far more tables in World Showcase now than there used to be. We also travel with my MIL some trips who has trouble walking too long before needing to sit - we can always find a place to sit if we spend 30 seconds or so looking. The views are still wonderful if you don't spend every second staring angrily at the barges. I have had very few (and no serious) issues with rude or aggressive people. The occasional inconsiderate person yes, but it doesn't ruin my day and it isn't Disney's fault. By and large I still find most people are still having an enjoyable time and are respectful (certainly a better percentage inside Disney than I see outside Disney).

If you want to go there and see all the bad things, that's your prerogative. If you want to dwell on the price and/or look for the negative aspects, you'll find them. You'll find them on any vacation. My question would be what are doing focusing on that on your vacation? Seems like a waste of time and energy (and money!) to me.

I choose to enjoy any vacation I take - and I find it incredibly easy to enjoy Disney World.

Decades ago, who would have ever believed a trip to Walt Disney World would be about low expectations and even lower standards?

Truly pathetic.

 

[Jviera1298]

Decades ago, who would have ever believed a trip to Walt Disney World would be about low expectations and even lower standards?

Truly pathetic.

Nothing I said indicated I have low expectations. I just disagree that Disney has fallen as far as some of you seem to think. In fact, I'm still waiting for someone to tell me where I should go with my family of 4 for a week or two instead. None of you seem to have taken a stab at that question I had.

So the answer, to me, is that Disney is still the best place but I am supposed to be angry and negative about it because Disney is doing things every corporation does (try to maximize profit). That sounds more pathetic to me than just enjoying myself.

 

[Jviera1298]

Decades ago, who would have ever believed a trip to Walt Disney World would be about low expectations and even lower standards?

Truly pathetic.

In fact, I would like to kindly ask you directly to share your favorite vacation spot that meets all of your high expectations (maybe this is the answer I was looking for!) That isn't crowded, is reasonably priced, no rude people, but plenty to do for a family for 1-2 weeks. I want state of the art rides and entertainment of course, but this place of yours will obviously have that too. And most important, a place that no slap fights could ever happen in.

Thanks in advance - cant wait to plan my next trip to this place!

 

[RobWDW1971]

In fact, I would like to kindly ask you directly to share your favorite vacation spot that meets all of your high expectations (maybe this is the answer I was looking for!) That isn't crowded, is reasonably priced, no rude people, but plenty to do for a family for 1-2 weeks. I want state of the art rides and entertainment of course, but this place of yours will obviously have that too. And most important, a place that no slap fights could ever happen in.

Thanks in advance - cant wait to plan my next trip to this place!

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