Price Hikes Galore! (Genie+ variable pricing, ILL, refillable mugs, SWGE lightsaber and droids)

HauntedPirate

HauntedPirate

Park nostalgist
Premium Member
So...
  • Disney doesn't invest in additional, meaningful ride/attraction capacity for over a decade (Don't give me the BS about "well, no one was riding UoE and GMR so Guardians and MMRR are so much better!!!")
  • During the same time period, Disney's PR and Marketing machines do their damnedest to entice people to visit
  • The theme parks become more and more crowded without anywhere for the additional people to go
  • Longer and longer lines become the norm, and consumers start complaining
  • Disney adds FP+ to try and spread people out in the parks and then changes ticket pricing schemes to spread crowds out throughout the year
  • Covid hits and gives $lappie his dream scenario - A way to control staffing, plus raise prices and charge for things that were free
  • Disney discontinues FP+ and installs Genie+ in its place, which is a revenue generator but is a flawed system
  • Disney raises prices to generate more revenue to prop up stock price
  • Consumers are frustrated by longer and longer lines but continue to pay higher prices for tickets AND now accept paying to get on headliners because of the continued under-investment in non-E-ticket rides (and a ridiculously inflated WDI cost structure)
  • Disney continues to ignore the underlying problem while raising prices to "reduce demand" (which is a lie, they cannot reduce demand and increase prices enough to maintain current levels of revenue because they'll price out most of what was their core audience and the truly affluent they think will flood the entrances will see past the charade and go elsewhere in short order)
It's a brilliantly evil tale punctuated by the inability of most consumers to see the situation for what it is - Disney abusing them for financial gain. I'm not going to dance around and sugarcoat it to appease some people's delicate feelings. This is Sociology 101 - Negative behavior will continue until there are negative consequences; Thus, Disney will continue to charge more while providing less (plus finding new ways to get more money from consumers) until people pull their heads out of their pixie-dust-coated nether-regions and stop going. Consumers have the power but they refuse to exercise it, and the Bob's have laughed all the way to the bank.

I've been around the block more than enough times to know that headliners will always have lines. But having 4 other things for people to ride instead of 1 (see: GE, TSL, FLE) would be a good place to start if they truly wanted to spread people out.

Ride maintenance and TLC are key, but they are routinely underfunded and have been since 2006 (at least). 'Show' is seemingly a bad thing, and one need look no further than the dismal state of many E-tickets for the past 5+ years for evidence. IP shoved where it doesn't belong, no risks taken, calling certain segments of consumers "unfavorable"... The Bob's are "gifts" that keep on giving.
 
Tony the Tigger

Tony the Tigger

Well-Known Member
Disney Dead Head said:
Capture Your Moment photo session now 99. Was 50 less than a year ago and went to 80 a few months ago..


This is the one that bothers me the most. This is nothing more than a service. Disney certainly hasn't increased the salaries of the photographers, so where is the justification other than Demand? I see this as just price gauging, plain and simple.

I also see a lot of "NEW" menu items being added to both QS and TS. this is a simple way to raise prices so that folks cant post or look at what it was priced before. Look for a lot of the items that didn't get increases to disappear
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Is it fair to just make stuff up?
Mr. Moderate said:
These past few years have been really hard on those who enjoyed going to the parks/resorts, myself included.
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Not myself included. Not “really hard” at all, just a lot of fun and a little covid weirdness.
 
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crazy4disney

Well-Known Member
In the Parks
No
Sirwalterraleigh said:
👆🏻👆🏻👆🏻💲💲💲💲🔫
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i know we disagree on this and yes i think Disney classification of when a child becomes an adult is absurd but again you get yourself a nice meal a nice yes 'experience" lol and meet and greets with characters which saves you a ton of time in the parks .... when ALL character places are running you can pretty much get yourself a great fix of M&G where you truly dont need to do any while in the parks....
 
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crazy4disney

Well-Known Member
In the Parks
No
HauntedPirate said:
So...
  • Disney doesn't invest in additional, meaningful ride/attraction capacity for over a decade (Don't give me the BS about "well, no one was riding UoE and GMR so Guardians and MMRR are so much better!!!")
  • During the same time period, Disney's PR and Marketing machines do their damnedest to entice people to visit
  • The theme parks become more and more crowded without anywhere for the additional people to go
  • Longer and longer lines become the norm, and consumers start complaining
  • Disney adds FP+ to try and spread people out in the parks and then changes ticket pricing schemes to spread crowds out throughout the year
  • Covid hits and gives $lappie his dream scenario - A way to control staffing, plus raise prices and charge for things that were free
  • Disney discontinues FP+ and installs Genie+ in its place, which is a revenue generator but is a flawed system
  • Disney raises prices to generate more revenue to prop up stock price
  • Consumers are frustrated by longer and longer lines but continue to pay higher prices for tickets AND now accept paying to get on headliners because of the continued under-investment in non-E-ticket rides (and a ridiculously inflated WDI cost structure)
  • Disney continues to ignore the underlying problem while raising prices to "reduce demand" (which is a lie, they cannot reduce demand and increase prices enough to maintain current levels of revenue because they'll price out most of what was their core audience and the truly affluent they think will flood the entrances will see past the charade and go elsewhere in short order)
It's a brilliantly evil tale punctuated by the inability of most consumers to see the situation for what it is - Disney abusing them for financial gain. I'm not going to dance around and sugarcoat it to appease some people's delicate feelings. This is Sociology 101 - Negative behavior will continue until there are negative consequences; Thus, Disney will continue to charge more while providing less (plus finding new ways to get more money from consumers) until people pull their heads out of their pixie-dust-coated nether-regions and stop going. Consumers have the power but they refuse to exercise it, and the Bob's have laughed all the way to the bank.

I've been around the block more than enough times to know that headliners will always have lines. But having 4 other things for people to ride instead of 1 (see: GE, TSL, FLE) would be a good place to start if they truly wanted to spread people out.

Ride maintenance and TLC are key, but they are routinely underfunded and have been since 2006 (at least). 'Show' is seemingly a bad thing, and one need look no further than the dismal state of many E-tickets for the past 5+ years for evidence. IP shoved where it doesn't belong, no risks taken, calling certain segments of consumers "unfavorable"... The Bob's are "gifts" that keep on giving.
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well said & sadly extremely accurate
 
el_super

el_super

Well-Known Member
HauntedPirate said:
[*]Consumers are frustrated by longer and longer lines but continue to pay higher prices for tickets AND now accept paying to get on headliners because of the continued under-investment in non-E-ticket rides (and a ridiculously inflated WDI cost structure)
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The "capacity" and "underinvestment" arguments are meaningless. People want specific experiences and there are only so many people that can go on any specific experience. Pirates and Mansion being considered MUST-DO attractions still have their limits, so no matter how many attractions you add, you will still never have enough capacity.

We can go down the whole path of arguing that they need more duplicate resorts and parks ... Like building a a 5th park or a resort in Texas or Canada, but the biggest problem of all is that the audience has been conditioned to pay a dirt cheap price for their product, so the expense of spinning up an entirely new resort just to reduce wait times at WDW doesn't work. It doesn't make economic sense to do that.

What we are seeing now is a pivot on Disney's part to condition the audience for spending more on Disney and it's something that was set in motion prior to Chapek.
 
lazyboy97o

lazyboy97o

Well-Known Member
el_super said:
The "capacity" and "underinvestment" arguments are meaningless. People want specific experiences and there are only so many people that can go on any specific experience. Pirates and Mansion being considered MUST-DO attractions still have their limits, so no matter how many attractions you add, you will still never have enough capacity.

We can go down the whole path of arguing that they need more duplicate resorts and parks ... Like building a a 5th park or a resort in Texas or Canada, but the biggest problem of all is that the audience has been conditioned to pay a dirt cheap price for their product, so the expense of spinning up an entirely new resort just to reduce wait times at WDW doesn't work. It doesn't make economic sense to do that.

What we are seeing now is a pivot on Disney's part to condition the audience for spending more on Disney and it's something that was set in motion prior to Chapek.
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This is plainly visibly nonsense. Demand is not constant. People absolutely do make substitutions.
 
Sirwalterraleigh

Sirwalterraleigh

Premium Member
crazy4disney said:
i know we disagree on this and yes i think Disney classification of when a child becomes an adult is absurd but again you get yourself a nice meal a nice yes 'experience" lol and meet and greets with characters which saves you a ton of time in the parks .... when ALL character places are running you can pretty much get yourself a great fix of M&G where you truly dont need to do any while in the parks....
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It qualifies…

Until you’re at your 4th of the week on your 5th trip in 3 years.
 
Jrb1979

Jrb1979

Well-Known Member
Sirwalterraleigh said:
Tony is rejecting your inference that the increase in photo pass is complete BS and a blatant cash grab.

Some people just believe that seeing themselves in cgi character pictures is “priceless”
…especially when your tan is “on point”
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There is more to life then worrying about price hikes and money grabs. Stop complaining 🙄. Right @Tony the Tigger
 

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