Predictions for returns of Annual Passholders

When will AP's come back?


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the_rich

Well-Known Member
Overall, I think some form of program will return by the end of June considering how lackluster ticket sales and reservations have been going.

As of my writing this, the only day completely sold out is June 5th. Everything else has some availability at one park or the other. I am not sure about the bucket for resort guests though, I hear that is a separate one, but not sure as I can't see that online anywhere, so it is possible that has some availability for June 5.

The point is everything should be completely sold out for at least the first couple of weeks right now, but it isn't.
June 5th, 6th and 12th are booked. Also this is only for California residents. I wouldve booked already if I could have.
 

Vegas Disney Fan

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June 5th, 6th and 12th are booked. Also this is only for California residents. I wouldve booked already if I could have.
I think the website is a factor also, most people aren’t going to sit on a website for multiple hours to get theme park tickets. I logged on the other day and it said it was an hour plus wait, I immediately logged off and said we‘d look later (my GF lives in Cal so she can buy them).

I've always marveled at the fact that a multi billion dollar creative and tech driven company like Disney has unreliable websites, choppy hold music, and constant technical glitches.
 

Vegas Disney Fan

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Someone spending 400 bucks on SoCal Select
passes for their family can get a 4 day parkhopper for the same price and turn it into a vacation.

The question is if they see value in that. Going multiple times a year for $400 is a lot more value than spending it all on 4 days and then not going back for a year.
 

CaptinEO

Well-Known Member
When are people going to start saying "Disneyland isn't crowded anymore. I'm willing to pay more to go now."? Anyone who's stayed away from Disneyland because of crowds already has the impression that Disneyland is ALWAYS crowded, and they've likely been burned several times by going in the "off season" only to meet 70,000 other people there. In order for Disneyland to gain a reputation of being not crowded, Disney would need to let the parks operate well under capacity for some time until the word gets out that that's the new norm. That will never happen.

Come on guys. Half the time it's "smaller crowds will make people spend more" and the other half it's "Disney can adjust the ticket price tiers to make sure it's always busy without APs." Disney is absolutely not going to keep attendance low. I know that's a dream scenario for some people who wish they could buy their way to smaller crowds, but it's just not going to happen beyond the covid limits, and those days are supposedly numbered.

Annual Passes, or Memberships, or whatever it's called will be back. Soon. If you want me to start a video blog and condescendingly explain it in a clickbait titled video, I'll gladly do it if that's what will convince you guys. (not)
If Knotts Berry farm can turn around their reputation, so can anything. All it takes is word of mouth.
 

Curious Constance

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I think the website is a factor also, most people aren’t going to sit on a website for multiple hours to get theme park tickets. I logged on the other day and it said it was an hour plus wait, I immediately logged off and said we‘d look later (my GF lives in Cal so she can buy them).

I've always marveled at the fact that a multi billion dollar creative and tech driven company like Disney has unreliable websites, choppy hold music, and constant technical glitches.
I had this same thought. Only the extreme diehards are going to go through this, and contrary to popular belief they are the minority in the grand scheme of things. Plus we’re still days away from opening. Plenty of time for most days to sell out right before or even on the day of.

Im just hoping this means I shouldn’t have trouble booking in June for 5 days in August.
 

1HAPPYGHOSTHOST

Well-Known Member
Disney World does still have an AP program. In fact the APs have better reservation availability than day tickets and resort guests.




Disney is on the lower end with that AP mix. Cedar Fair was at 50% in 2019, and sold 40% more APs in 2020. Six Flags is up around 70%.
You really don't see the writing on the walls do you. You think a theme park company is going to forever allow one park to have annual passes while another has a different program? HA HA. Once Disneyland rolls out its new program it will roll out to all the parks. DisneyWorld's season passes will be cancelled too and the new program will roll out to all the other parks Disney has. Kiss WDW annual passes goodbye in the next year or two.
 

SoCalDisneyLover

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I went 7 years in between Disney AP's, getting a Flex Pass in late May 2019. I made great use of the reservation system, using it mostly on weekends, and primarily on Sundays. I really enjoyed getting to the park at opening, trying to hit as many rides as possible using Maxpass, and then leaving by 1 or 2, when things were getting busy. I would love to visit again, but if I wasn't willing to pay full price for a single day before, just because I've been away for a year, doesn't make me feel the need to spend $150+ for what will seem like a half hearted experience, given all that will be missing for awhile.

I remember how Disney's belief that crowds would swarm the park once GE opened fell flat, and I'm hoping that after the dust has settled on their re-opening, and as capacity allowances increase, they'll be forced to initiate whatever new program they have developed.
 

Sirwalterraleigh

Premium Member
I don't buy it. They were still coming up with new AP perks until the end. AP popcorn refills. The Indiana Jones 25th anniversary event, etc. Why would they keep doing that stuff if they wanted to ease off on APs?

get ready....

the next “successor” program they roll out is going to be for MASSIVE fees.

the only thing that will stop that now is a long, severe global recession.

the customers have opened the flood gates on themselves. Head to higher ground
 

cmwade77

Well-Known Member
June 5th, 6th and 12th are booked. Also this is only for California residents. I wouldve booked already if I could have.
Well, California will now allow out of state visitors to theme parks if they are fully vaccinated or provide proof of negative test within 72 hours before hand:

I wonder how long it will be before Disney catches up, SeaWorld San Diego has already changed policy according to their Facebook page, which is where I first heard of it.
 

Tamandua

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Well, California will now allow out of state visitors to theme parks if they are fully vaccinated or provide proof of negative test within 72 hours before hand:

I wonder how long it will be before Disney catches up, SeaWorld San Diego has already changed policy according to their Facebook page, which is where I first heard of it.
If you see skidmarks all over the road it's from the goal posts getting moved back and forth so much.
 

cmwade77

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Now the original SeaWorld post is completely removed and thus so was the comment and I only see the Sacrament Bee article about this, so I am wondering if this announcement is supposed to be coming out tomorrow, just before oral arguments in the appeals case start on Tuesday and they jumped the gun.

Either way, I think the in state restrictions will be eased soon.
 

SoCalDisneyLover

Well-Known Member
One would think that if CA allowed people from out of state to visit amusement parks, so long as they showed proof of vaccination or a negative test, that it would be viewed as a non-controversial positive step, and be welcomed by all.

I'm not so sure. Certainly many would be thrilled, but there will be some who will throw a fit over those parameters. The question is, whether it would be enforced. If it's a free for all, or there are no specific guidelines, like with Disney not giving a concrete answer about checking id's at the gate, then any such restrictions will be useless.

Seems unlikely the state would ever step in and close the parks down again. But rest assured, if an outbreak were traced to Disneyland, or case #'s began to rise, CA would stand ready to reverse course. Governor Newsom is not going to sit by and watch things deteriorate just when we were getting things under control.

The thing that can save us is the vaccine. Hopefully CA can continue making progress, and the state can approach and eventually achieve some sense of herd immunity. Though that's not likely until after Labor Day, depending upon the spread of variants and/or limitations of vaccines against them.
 

cmwade77

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For kids under 16, who aren’t eligible for the vaccine yet, will they be exempt or will they need a test? Assuming these are the same rules that will apply in August.
If you read the article, kids who are ineligible will be exempt as long as they are entering and staying with thier parents that are vaccinated or have proof of negative test (although the may just require younger to have proof of negative test as an alternative I suppose, just not what the article says). Again, I do not know the accuracy, but I would think Sacramento Bee to be a legitimate news source.

It just all changes so fast we can't.keep up.....lol
 

the_rich

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Well, California will now allow out of state visitors to theme parks if they are fully vaccinated or provide proof of negative test within 72 hours before hand:

I wonder how long it will be before Disney catches up, SeaWorld San Diego has already changed policy according to their Facebook page, which is where I first heard of it.
Well I'm fully vaccinated, so I'm good to go
 

SoCalDisneyLover

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They better be planning on something more than checking a box where you maintain that you've been vaccinated or tested negative. Apparently that's the extent of what MM & USH are doing thus far.
 

cmwade77

Well-Known Member
They better be planning on something more than checking a box where you maintain that you've been vaccinated or tested negative. Apparently that's the extent of what MM & USH are doing thus far.
SeaWorld requires you to present a photo of your card or negative test with your name clearly visible. I would think for vaccination would be easy, just ask for an upload of the card when making reservations.

Negative test would be harder. Of course we all know all of this is nonsense as there will be no good way to enforce it, but still.
 

SoCalDisneyLover

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SeaWorld requires you to present a photo of your card or negative test with your name clearly visible. I would think for vaccination would be easy, just ask for an upload of the card when making reservations.

Negative test would be harder. Of course we all know all of this is nonsense as there will be no good way to enforce it, but still.
This is why CA waited so long to allow the parks to open. They knew it would be a free for all, and that whatever restrictions were imposed, would be given lip service to, at best. "Well, we had a check box for them to verify, on their honor." Yeah, that'll work. One thing you can count on is people being "honest."

It's disappointing that people don't seem to understand why the rule is in place. It's to prevent someone from another state with an increasing case count, from bringing their virus outbreak over here. Perhaps if/when CA achieves herd immunity, that might not be as significant. Where everyone who wanted a vaccine, had been able to get it. We're still not there. Just opened up to all adults, but it will take time to get through all those people. 2 of the 3 vaccines available have 2 shots, with 3-4 weeks in between, so it's going to be at least another few months until any remaining willing candidates, have gone through the process.
 
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