PotC Hidden Skull?

HMF

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I'm sorry, but MK's Pirates of the Caribbean, skull or no skull, needs a major overhaul and expansion to include the missing scenes Disneyland has. DL's is the vastly superior experience. It's actually shocking how much the shorter version in WDW plays out so ineffectively compared to the original - but hey, the return of the skull (albeit with a goofy sounding voice) IS a step in the right direction!
No it doesn't. It's not supposed to be the DL Version There is no time travel element. If you don't like it go back to 1973 and argue with Card Walker.
http://strangefrighteningsoundsblog.blogspot.com/2012/09/a-ravaging-rant-about-pirates-of.html
 

rodserling27

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No it doesn't. It's not supposed to be the DL Version There is no time travel element. If you don't like it go back to 1973 and argue with Card Walker.
http://strangefrighteningsoundsblog.blogspot.com/2012/09/a-ravaging-rant-about-pirates-of.html
Very interesting read! I still think WDW's pales in comparison. The bayou, the treasure rooms, the finale with the rocking dock - all beautiful. Maybe it SHOULD have been a direct clone - ha! Thanks for the link though! Great read.
 

davis_unoxx

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No one on here has shot it down or confirmed it happening, doesn't mean it is, doesn't mean it isn't, but it seems if it is removed it's not really to be politically correct but to further implement the Pirates movie franchise into the ride. Ironic since the Pirates movies came from the ride :/
I love the the movies, most of them anyway. But they need to stop doing this, they're ruining the ride. People don't care about Pirates movies in America nowhere they did when the first few came out, look at the domestic box office for the last two, less than half of the previous ones.
 

Skipper Dan

Active Member
I love the the movies, most of them anyway. But they need to stop doing this, they're ruining the ride. People don't care about Pirates movies in America nowhere they did when the first few came out, look at the domestic box office for the last two, less than half of the previous ones.

I care.

Pirates is my Star Wars and Jack is my Luke. Yes, they nearly ruined the franchise with "On Stranger Tides" and just went and shot the horse with the abomination that is "Dead Men Tale No Tales", but it doesn't change the impact that Sparrow had -- and will continue to have -- on pop culture.
He now stands on the Pantheon next to Indiana Jones, James Bond, and Darth Vader. Walt would recognize this.
I've said it before, if anyone doesn't think that if Walt was resurrected and told that one of his attractions spawned a series of films that have collectively grossed nearly 2 BILLION dollars, that he wouldn't BULLDOZE all the attractions and build one unlike the world as ever seen; with Johnny Depp's face as big as a building... you'd be in for quite the awakening.
I digress.
I've never understood the qualms with the additions. There so non-obtrusive, and also poetic. The ride that inspired the film, is now itself inspired by the franchise. The imagineers went through a painstaking process to make sure the original story of the ride remained intact.

Pirates ransack a town, looking for the town treasure...

Now, the pirates ransack a town, looking for Jack Sparrow, who has the key to the town's treasure.

It's so subtle, and with an awesome -- comedic, in the spirit of the character -- ending, where Jack gets it all to himself... just like a pirate.

Anyway, sorry. I digress... again.

PS People always complain about Hans Zimmer's score, when it is now arguably more recognizable than "Yo Ho". I mean- AHHHH!!!! Walt was ALL about the music, and making catchy melodies. That's the point!!!! People, get over it.
 

britain

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It would be a shame to lose that scene since it's an absurdly humorous commentary on pirate treatment of women. The "order" imposed on the debauchery (and slowing the process because the fat lady vs. the red head) is like something out of Monty Python.

Who complains about Zimmer's score???

For Superman, maybe, but not for Pirates!
 
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BasiltheBatLord

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Pirates ransack a town, looking for the town treasure...

Now, the pirates ransack a town, looking for Jack Sparrow, who has the key to the town's treasure.
This actually is the issue.

You're correct in saying that Imagineering made a deliberate effort to retain the original ride to a degree. It's true that they could have gone all out, changed the entire structure of the ride, gotten rid of iconic scenes like the auctioneer, caverns etc. and made the entire ride about the film from beginning to end. But the issue is that an original narrative which existed independently of any kind of outside IP (and had attained "classic" cultural status) was suddenly changed with a new, modern IP shoehorned into it.

I don't really have any issue with the actual Sparrow figures. They're fairly out of the way in most of the scenes they're in and don't call that much attention to themselves. The issue is the incongruities that now exist in the ride as a result of old and new elements existing in a weird mismash that was never designed to co-exist together. For example, it's absolutely surreal hearing the newly recorded "Where be Cap'n Jack Sparrow?" and then hearing the 1967 "Don't tell him Carlos, don't be chicken!" in response. Several other of the newer effects added to the ride (the waterfall, the Zimmer score, etc.) produce this same absurdity.

So yes, we should be thankful that Imagineering didn't take the initiative to just chunk the entire classic ride and replace it with a new, successful IP, but that doesn't mean that congruity problems don't exist with the attraction as is when you consider the full context of its history.
 
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HMF

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It would be a shame to lose that scene since it's an absurdly humorous commentary on pirate treatment of women. The "order" imposed on the debauchery (and slowing the process because the fat lady vs. the red head) is like something out of Monty Python.
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HMF

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As happy as I am that Disney is bringing an old piece of the attraction back like this, there was no need to change the voice and dialogue. They should know by know that it's just a waste of time and money to record over something that was fine to begin with.
The original dialouge was not as classic as the DL Version IMHO and James Arnold Taylor is to this generation what Paul Frees was to the 60s.
 

The Duck

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I'm perfectly OK with the new skull, voice and all. Sure, it's different and may require some getting used to but there have been changes to WDW over the past several years that have ruffled a lot more feathers than this ever will. The original Disneyland voice was (and still is) of Disney Imagineer, Xavier Atencio and his voice has set the standard for decades. The voice of the original WDW skull voice was done by an unknown voice actor (does anyone know who he was? I haven't a clue) and now we have James Arnold Taylor who I'm sure will be accepted by future generations of Disney fans until the time comes when someone decides to change it up again. When that time comes, I'm sure that there will be people who will throw fits that their beloved Talking Skull is being desecrated. And yet, life will go on.
 

HMF

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I'm perfectly OK with the new skull, voice and all. Sure, it's different and may require some getting used to but there have been changes to WDW over the past several years that have ruffled a lot more feathers than this ever will. The original Disneyland voice was (and still is) of Disney Imagineer, Xavier Atencio and his voice has set the standard for decades. The voice of the original WDW skull voice was done by an unknown voice actor (does anyone know who he was? I haven't a clue) and now we have James Arnold Taylor who I'm sure will be accepted by future generations of Disney fans until the time comes when someone decides to change it up again. When that time comes, I'm sure that there will be people who will throw fits that their beloved Talking Skull is being desecrated. And yet, life will go on.
I think most of us are just happy it is back.That being said Blackbeard should have been removed from the mist as his appearance makes no sense in this context.
 
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Donaldfan1934

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I'm perfectly OK with the new skull, voice and all. Sure, it's different and may require some getting used to but there have been changes to WDW over the past several years that have ruffled a lot more feathers than this ever will. The original Disneyland voice was (and still is) of Disney Imagineer, Xavier Atencio and his voice has set the standard for decades. The voice of the original WDW skull voice was done by an unknown voice actor (does anyone know who he was? I haven't a clue) and now we have James Arnold Taylor who I'm sure will be accepted by future generations of Disney fans until the time comes when someone decides to change it up again. When that time comes, I'm sure that there will be people who will throw fits that their beloved Talking Skull is being desecrated. And yet, life will go on.
I agree there are way worse changes. However, that doesn't mean the little things aren't worth mentioning. The closer the ride keeps to its old school spirit, the better.
 

Kram Sacul

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In the Parks
Yes
I'm sure in person the lighting doesn't look that overdone but that voice is pretty bad. Same voice actor as the skull (Jolly Roger) in the Jack Sparrow show at DHS?
 
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MaximumEd

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I thought the most recent movie was absolutely horrible, but don't remember On Stranger Tides being as bad as everyone says, although it's been a while since I have watched it. What am I missing?
 

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