Possilbe New Resorts in the Epcot/DHS area

[peter11435]

Yes. But I'm not going to get excited about a movie only need to see it once. I want the whole place to be themed. I mean seriously why would they think it was a good idea to put a bad cafeteria style QS restaurant there? Oh and bathrooms on each side of main building. It's basically a glorified rest stop in middle of WS.

It's not exactly a movie but ok....

 

[PorterRedkey]

Yes. But I'm not going to get excited about a movie only need to see it once. I want the whole place to be themed. I mean seriously why would they think it was a good idea to put a bad cafeteria style QS restaurant there? Oh and bathrooms on each side of main building. It's basically a glorified rest stop in middle of WS.

The American Adventure is one of Epcot finest attractions! It is a complete AA show, not just a movie. The movie at the end is a little dated, but it still holds up. A must-do every time I'm at Epcot!
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[danlb_2000]

I think that is sad and shortsighted. Let's be honest the American part of WS is the worst of all the areas. It's basically a bad QS restaurant and a gift shop. I was born and raised in Philly and they could of done some much more in this area. Putting a premium resort that would be attached directly to WS and give the ability to fix this area would be amazing. And as other poster has mentioned to be able to just look out of your room and see Illuminations every night would be worth the price.

I have seen the main presentation at the Constitution Center in Philly and feel American Adventure if comparable I quality.

 

[GoofGoof]

Yes. But I'm not going to get excited about a movie only need to see it once. I want the whole place to be themed. I mean seriously why would they think it was a good idea to put a bad cafeteria style QS restaurant there? Oh and bathrooms on each side of main building. It's basically a glorified rest stop in middle of WS.

American Adventure is one of the last remaining pieces of EPCOT Center. It's a true classic. It's a whole lot more than just a movie. You should give it another try on your next visit.

 

[csmat99]

I have seen the main presentation at the Constitution Center in Philly and feel American Adventure if comparable I quality.

I understand that part of it is done very well. My point was that the rest of the American Adventure is poorly done. I would've rather had a very unique reservations type restaurant themed to colonial times with a bar. I guess my standard isn't what each location has as far as shows or rides but by getting enjoyment just by walking around and looking at the buildings and shops, etc.

 

[GoofGoof]

I understand that part of it is done very well. My point was that the rest of the American Adventure is poorly done. I would've rather had a very unique reservations type restaurant themed to colonial times with a bar. I guess my standard isn't what each location has as far as shows or rides but by getting enjoyment just by walking around and looking at the buildings and shops, etc.

The food is poor. I know there are a lot of picky eaters who don't want anything too "exotic" so I guess it's just the go to place for them in WS. It could be better...a lot better. A great bar serving a huge selection of fine American craft beers would be awesome.

 

[PorterRedkey]

I understand that part of it is done very well. My point was that the rest of the American Adventure is poorly done. I would've rather had a very unique reservations type restaurant themed to colonial times with a bar. I guess my standard isn't what each location has as far as shows or rides but by getting enjoyment just by walking around and looking at the buildings and shops, etc.

I'll agree that the QS restaurant leaves a lot to be desired. The shop is not much either. The American Adventure, however, is not the problem.

 

[Figments Friend]

What year was this rumor going around? Not sure if I have heard this one before. ..I do recall a rumor to add a resort on the express line somewhere along World drive, but that must be something different. Can you guys circle where the proposed resort would have been located:
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Mid-2000s if I am remembering right...it was a while ago, or so it seems.
I don't remember exactly....maybe 2008.

Looking at your photo, the area was to be the square section or sections of parking lot furtherest to the upper right hand corner near the section of Epcot Center Drive shown in 'purple'.


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[csmat99]

I'll agree that the QS restaurant leaves a lot to be desired. The shop is not much either. The American Adventure, however, is not the problem.

Going back to my original post I think of all the rumored resorts this is the one that would be amazing and would + an area that needs +++. I have been to DCA and the hotel having direct access to the park is unique and benefits everyone. And we all know Disney is going to keep raising rates and increasing the cost of DVC points then at least you get way more for you money here than say Saratoga springs that all you get is a 15 min walk to shopping mall.

 

[jaxonp]

Going back to my original post I think of all the rumored resorts this is the one that would be amazing and would + an area that needs +++. I have been to DCA and the hotel having direct access to the park is unique and benefits everyone. And we all know Disney is going to keep raising rates and increasing the cost of DVC points then at least you get way more for you money here than say Saratoga springs that all you get is a 15 min walk to shopping mall.

I find SSR to be a joke.. it has gotten slightly better recently with all the new additions at Springs, but honestly, the rooms need a complete overhaul if they want to charge similar points to other DVC resorts that offer better, well better everything.

 

[GoofGoof]

Going back to my original post I think of all the rumored resorts this is the one that would be amazing and would + an area that needs +++. I have been to DCA and the hotel having direct access to the park is unique and benefits everyone. And we all know Disney is going to keep raising rates and increasing the cost of DVC points then at least you get way more for you money here than say Saratoga springs that all you get is a 15 min walk to shopping mall.

The dedicated access to the park would be the main selling feature for DVC. That and access to the lounge for viewing Illuminations. When this rumor first came around there was talk of the resort actually being built behind multiple pavilions and potentially changing theme and architecture to match. For example, a wing behind America, one behind Japan and one behind Italy each themed to the pavilion that fronts them. I think the issue was cost and the logistics of removing a lot of backstage stuff.

I think the WS idea would be kinda cool, but I worry they would ruin the look and site lines from inside the park. I don't trust that it would be done well enough and you know how there's some bias against DVC so even if it looked good a lot of people would have a problem with it. The parking lot resort seems less ambitious but still gets you on site at EPCOT.

 

[MisterPenguin]

New Star Wars resort...

 

[imperius]

Why not? There are literally millions of people that would stay at a Star Wars resort. Its actually a worse idea to NOT build a Star Wars resort. Can any other IP support an entire resort? Maybe not. Can Star Wars? Absolutely.

Potter could very easily also, but highly doubt JK would ever allow it.

 

[Kamikaze]

Potter could very easily also, but highly doubt JK would ever allow it.

Possibly. I couldn't guarantee that it would last past the initial opening period. Have to remember that Fantastic Beasts did not do that well, only #12 for the year, so the bloom is definitely off the Potter rose to a point.

 

[imperius]

Fantastic Beasts isn't Potter and that rose is doing great.

 

[Kamikaze]

Fantastic Beasts isn't Potter and that rose is doing great.

It's the same franchise. If she's not going to write more things starring Harry, it's all they would have for new content. Every year without something new a certain portion of drop off happens. Can't argue that. Your separation would be like calling Rogue One not Star Wars because the Skywalkers aren't the focus. Same franchise, same IP, which is what we are talking about. Disavowing Fantastic Beasts only hurts your argument that the IP could support an entire resort hotel.

Also, the Cursed Child play/novelization was definitely not 'great' to say the least. You can't say that Potter hasn't fallen from its high at this point. Whereas Star Wars has never made more money than it has since TFA was released.

 

[GhostHost1000]

Disney could buy Bonnett Creek Resort....but it might make some of other resorts Disney owns look bad

 

[matt9112]

The occupancy has actually been really strong lately. I went through the numbers in the 10K in another thread and they show a pretty healthy year over year growth in actual rooms occupied which cannot be manipulated by taking rooms out of service.


In another thread recently @ParentsOf4 posted this:

And this:

Based on all of this, even if the occupancy number is reduced by 4 to 5% by taking rooms out of service or DVC conversions it's still a healthy number above 85% occupancy. The thinking that hotel occupancy was suffering but being masked by manipulation is largely untrue. The truth is they simply don't have enough hotel rooms today and you can bet demand will grow even stronger with Pandora and Star Wars opening soon too.

If you look at what they are doing so far they are adding DVC to CBR and some addition higher end rooms to CSR. The focus is definitely on drawing in more per room money. They won't be adding more All Stars anytime soon. The parks will also get more crowded with these new additions so that makes perks like EMHs and advanced FP+ bookings even more valuable. If you go to see Star Wars Land when it opens you want to make sure you get on the new rides.

Interesting can we all agree that overall resort wide park capacity isn't really increasing though? Star wars and Pixar is really just returning that park to glory days capacity wise right? But I suppose Pandora is a net gain but how much can that be? Amazing people keep coming and if all these rooms are high end is there enough high end clientel wanting to visit?

 

[GoofGoof]

Interesting can we all agree that overall resort wide park capacity isn't really increasing though? Star wars and Pixar is really just returning that park to glory days capacity wise right? But I suppose Pandora is a net gain but how much can that be? Amazing people keep coming and if all these rooms are high end is there enough high end clientel wanting to visit?

True for DHS. It's just replacing a lot of the lost capacity and with Avatar it's replacing a meet and greet area, but a lot of people would argue that the park needed more capacity to make it complete anyway. I don't think you necessarily need additional capacity to draw crowds. Universal has been building new stuff for a while now that mostly replaced existing attractions and it still draws in huge crowds.

I don't think there are enough high end clientele to fill the existing and future resorts, but Disney does a great job getting people to spend more than they probably can afford with a little help from Visa and MasterCard. The biggest risk is an economic downturn. The resorts are doing well right now but if there's a major economic setback or 9/11 style incident that cripples tourism even deep discounts aren't going to fill those rooms.

 

[marni1971]

I think that is sad and shortsighted. Let's be honest the American part of WS is the worst of all the areas..

Let's be honest. It's not. To call it "a movie" is incredibly niave.

But that's for another discussion. Not here.