Possible Frontierland expansion

Next Big Thing

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Well right now, it's (in terms of attractions)
MK - 1.25 days (1 9am-midnight day, 1 9am-1pm day... if you're not doing every single M&G and you know how to use FP+)
Epcot - 0.75 days (9am-5pm... should be done with every attraction if you do TT single rider, and FP+ for Soarin', MS, and SSE, and pick one up for Nemo or LwtL. I don't count alcohol guzzling over at World Showcase as enough for a full day ;))
AK - 0.75 days (if you do EVERYTHING and gets FP+ for 3-4 attractions)
DHS - 0.5 days (FP+ for TSMM, ToT, Star Tours... single rider for RnRC, pick up a FP+ for GMR... see a couple shows... out of here now that OMD, Backlot, soon-to-be LMA/Mermaid, American Idol, Sounds, Captain Jack and Animation - all of the 'fluff' is either closed or soon will be closed)

The DHS overhaul should make the park a full-day affair - just will need some enhancements here and there.

The later operating hours (until 9pm or 10pm) will keep AK at 0.75 days - they'll still need to add a couple family dark rides, overhaul Dinoland (demo Dinorama), fix up Kali/Everest and possibly add a new land long down the road.

New Frontierland, a Tomorrowland overhaul/expansion, an Adventureland expansion and a B&TB dark ride (3 of the 4 are pure wishes... nothing more) would make MK 2 full 9am-12am days, even with FP+. But you could still do all of the headliners in 1-1.5 days - I say 2 because of things like Tiki Room, HoP, CoP, Country Bears, Laugh Floor, Philharmagic, etc.

Epcot unfortunately will only be 1 full 9am-9pm day of attractions if you bother to wait 3-4 hrs for Frozenstrom :p

So by 2021/2022
MK - 2 days
DHS - 1 day
AK - 0.75 days (once new 9pm or 10pm closing time starts)
Epcot - 0.75 days (unless you do Frozenstrom, then 1.25 days)

Only two parks will be full-fledged full-day parks... especially if the two Pandora attractions have 2,000+/hr capacity. I don't count 'eating/drinking around the world' as enough for a full day, way too expensive and ridiculous when you've already paid $100+ to get into the park... I'm only going by attractions (what most people go to the parks to do) with Epcot,

TDO is making progress, but there'll still be a long way to go unless Epcot gets a WoL revamp, and updates for Energy/Imagination in the near future. AK will be fine... it'll just need 5-7 more attractions slowly added over 15-20 yrs once Pandora is finished. Some big, some small.
Why do you always type out so much hypothetical nonsense?
 

yensidtlaw1969

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And three (or four, depending on how you count Dumbo) spinners.
Several omnimovers
Several dark rides
Several Rollercoasters.

It's all about the theming, not the conveyance.
I think that's why "Raft Ride" has some of us nervous. Richly themed Raft Rides that are a transportive experience are in VERY short supply in the Themed Entertainment industry. They're all . . . pretty much the same . . . and not known for creating a reliably equal experience for all riders. How many times have you ridden Kali River Rapids where one or two people got drenched and everyone else is bone dry?

I don't believe for a second that Disney COULDN'T create a grand, immersive, truly dynamic ride experience out of a Rapids ride, but given the precedent attractions using that ride system across the world, it would certainly be the exception to a disappointing rule.


That said, are we too quick to assume "Raft Ride" = "River Rapids"? Because I'm realizing that's sort of what's being inferred, but not necessarily what's being implied.
 

Rutt

Well-Known Member
that attitude isn't necessary. lets try to make this a positive and speculative board. There is always too much negativity flying around this site. There's a great big beautiful tomorrow, remember?
And they better not ever touch THAT ride...
 

MerlinTheGoat

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I sincerely doubt that would make every fan happy. A 45+ year old concept that was passed on the first time? I think I'm fine with the model....
With the likely alternative being the raft ride? No offense, but i'd take WRE (or at least a variation of it) any day.

I still prefer the WRE concept over any other proposal i've seen put out there for Frontierland including the likes of Geyser Mountain, Woody's Roundup, Cars Land (a proposal I believe was pitched to Tokyo), another raft ride or any other type of character/movie tie-in (such as Pocahontas).
 

PhotoDave219

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With the likely alternative being the raft ride? No offense, but i'd take WRE (or at least a variation of it) any day. I still prefer that concept over any other proposal i've seen put out there for Frontierland including the likes of Geyser Mountain, Woody's Roundup, another raft ride or any other type of character/movie tie-in (such as Pocahontas).

I'll discount a raft ride on the sole basis that they'll need to clean the water. Rivers of America is connected to Seven Seas Lagoon... Same brain eating amoebas in the water as over by River Country, the Poly, Wildy Lodge, etc.

I'm completely in "wait and see" mode....
 

Captain Neo

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I could see them going with the rafting ride to

A) Remove Rivers of America/TSI and do radical changes to that area
B) Shared Cost of cloning any Audio Animatronic figures between the raft ride at California Adventure and the proposed MK raft ride. I know it was a proposal for DCA as part of the revamp but it got cut in favor of beefing up Cars Land.
 

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