Possible Frontierland expansion

doctornick

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You know I have long had an issue with this. Most of the "expansion" is nothing more than replacement. Sure, the new stuff will be more popular and will draw more guests, but the capacity of the park tends to remain the same or just slightly better.

About the only real true expansion we have seen in quite some time is the Tron Coaster at MK. Everything else (Pandora, SW:GE, Guardians, Frozen, etc) have all been built on the ashes of other attractions and this makes me stabby. AK, Epcot, and DHS all need more attractions, not different ones.

I agree with the premise and this is generally true, but Ratatouille is another expansion in addition to Tron and so would Poppins if/when it happens. Also, Pandora (though is a few years old now) was an expansion of capacity for that park (the FOTLK and M&Gs got moved to elsewhere).
 

doctornick

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The thought of a Frontierland Expansion hasn't and still doesn't make sense all things considered. Tomorrowland still needs the most work, Fantasyland could use a true headliner, and Adventureland could easily modify Jungle Cruise's layout to expand Adventureland with an E-ticket. The park doesn't need rollercoasters now, so an E-ticket high capacity dark ride seems like a sure-fire bet in any land.

I would argue that Frontierland clearly does need more capacity, specifically a milder family friendly ride. Something like... Western River Expedition ironically.

Adventureland would benefit from a higher thrill E-ticket (Fire Mountain, Indiana Jones, JTTCOTE, etc.). Once Tron is built, I think the biggest thing for Tomorrowland would be actually using the Stitch space even if it is just a smaller attraction. And ironically the Main Street Theater was a great idea to add some capacity to that portion of the park.
 
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doctornick

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How do you propose that dead end continues? Into a bridge onto Tom Sawyer and then what?

As mentioned, there is a path next to Splash that leads to the Railroad station. That path can be extended under the RR berm and on a bridge over the canal to reach the unused space north of the RoA.

Someday I'd love to see MK complete the circuit around the RoA and use all that prime space and provide much better guest flow especially during parades. They'd have to build a walkway along HM as well, which all could be done if there was a will. Sure, this wouldn't be the next place to consider any building in MK but could be used long term.
 

HauntedMansionFLA

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I would argue that Frontierland clearly does need more capacity, specifically a milder family friendly ride. Something like... Western River Exploration ironically.

Adventureland would benefit from a higher trill E-ticket (Fire Mountain, Indiana Jones, JTTCOTE, etc.). Once Tron is built, I think the biggest thing for Tomorrowland would be actually using the Stitch space even if it is just a smaller attraction. And ironically the Main Street Theater was a great idea to add some capacity to that portion of the park.
I still wish the Main Street Theater would make a comeback.
 

aladdin2007

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I still wish the Main Street Theater would make a comeback.

I don't, cramming that back in there was not a good idea logistically, the mass hordes of people that would have been spilling out onto Main Street after a show (its bad enough as it is now) would have been a mess. Then down the road instead of being used for a show or attraction it would be turned into just another special events use and gone to waste. Not saying a theater would be bad for the park if put to use the right way, but that spot just seemed like another attempt to shoehorn in something that was too big.
 

Purduevian

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I understand access to the utilidoors is all behind fantasyland, but I'm surprised they haven't ever built a bridge (like the DTD at DLR) over the road to access that land easily.

Imagine building two of these:
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With just a little higher walls and more theme.
Place them like this:
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Start with just a small area (with 2 entrances) by removing Pete's Silly Sideshow and the bathrooms next to Gaston's Tavern. Expansion to the west could be made over time once guest access has been established. I would eventually like to see this connect to a pathway on the western side of Haunted Mansion along the river front (would have to reconfigure HM quene)
 
I understand access to the utilidoors is all behind fantasyland, but I'm surprised they haven't ever built a bridge (like the DTD at DLR) over the road to access that land easily.

Imagine building two of these:
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With just a little higher walls and more theme.
Place them like this:
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Start with just a small area (with 2 entrances) by removing Pete's Silly Sideshow and the bathrooms next to Gaston's Tavern. Expansion to the west could be made over time once guest access has been established. I would eventually like to see this connect to a pathway on the western side of Haunted Mansion along the river front (would have to reconfigure HM quene)

Alternatively... they could reroute the Magic Kingdom Dr. road a little.
 

MisterPenguin

President of Animal Kingdom
Premium Member
I understand access to the utilidoors is all behind fantasyland, but I'm surprised they haven't ever built a bridge (like the DTD at DLR) over the road to access that land easily.

Imagine building two of these:
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With just a little higher walls and more theme.
Place them like this:
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Start with just a small area (with 2 entrances) by removing Pete's Silly Sideshow and the bathrooms next to Gaston's Tavern. Expansion to the west could be made over time once guest access has been established. I would eventually like to see this connect to a pathway on the western side of Haunted Mansion along the river front (would have to reconfigure HM quene)

Once you cross over, you have two stories of backstage warehouses to hide when you look behind you. Also the East side of that pond is very unsuitable for building according to surveying maps. Not that Disney couldn't, but, it'd be very expensive. Then, you have the issue of being too close to the fireworks launch.

That's why getting to the North side of HM and RoA is more likely.
 
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tirian

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Once you cross over, you have two stories of backstage warehouses to hide when you look behind you. Also the East side of that pond is very unsuitable for building according to surveying maps. Not that Disney couldn't, but, it'd be very expensive. Then, you have the issue of being too close to the fireworks launch.

That's why getting to the North side of HM and RoA is more likely.
Most guests don’t realize when they approach Pinocchio’s and the restrooms, there’s an almost 2-story drop right behind that wall. Yet Storybook Circus is level with backstage access roads. That’s how the grading was handled back in the late ‘60s.
 

N2dru

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Since this is never gonna happen can someone reveal what the proposed fronteirland expansion was going to be all about?

I would like to know too. Didn't it involve permanently docking the Liberty Belle and filling in a portion of ROA while making a walkway around the front of the HM to the back portions of the river? Not sure though..anyone with more info?
 

N2dru

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That was one of the options. With partial fill or a bridge. And a kiddy coaster on TSI.

Thanks Marni..I knew I remembered that. Kinda glad they didn't go with the docking of the Liberty Belle...it provides needed motion/activity along with the rafts to TSI on ROA. Otherwise it would be a stagnant pond in Florida and we all know what that would end up looking like.
 

jt04

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Thanks Marni..I knew I remembered that. Kinda glad they didn't go with the docking of the Liberty Belle...it provides needed motion/activity along with the rafts to TSI on ROA. Otherwise it would be a stagnant pond in Florida and we all know what that would end up looking like.

They don't have to dock it but they could relocate it and add another more thematically themed ship where it currently sits. Even if they dock all the watercraft they can add pumps to circulate the water.

I think the only reason they would do so is to add something with the footprint of Galaxy's Edge to the area between Big Thunder and Haunted Mansion. Such expansions are probably on the backburner for awhile sadly.
 

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