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Possible Attraction in France pavilion (Epcot) Update - new Attraction Greenlit
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HMF
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And I would argue it was a better company, then.
jaxonp
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You can argue the, "good ole'days" and hamburgers at McDonalds were 10 cents all you want but this is today and this is what is happening. You don't have to like it at all and I'm not saying that I like it all either, but it's reality. I'd rather be embrace reality rather than live in the past. I miss cast members that actually loved the job they were working and that never broke character or took anything away from the guest experience. Those days are long gone sadly. I perhaps, miss that the most.
jaxonp
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You're the master... what did I miss?
Princess Leia
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I thought we were done arguing about whether or not IP belongs in Epcot. Unfortunately, it's here to stick around, and I don't see anything changing. We can only hope that whatever they choose to do is the best way to use the property and the pavilion.
jaxonp
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Agreed. For me, it's more of, what enhances the park and how it reinforces the brand. If the IP enhances and fits an area then it works. Sometimes its a stretch.. Frozen. Other times it just doesn't make sense... GotG at DCA in Hollywood... That will never make sense to me.
HMF
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I would go back to the 90s in a heartbeat.
lazyboy97o
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Knowledge of a brand is not instinct. It has to be introduced at some point.
Do you always just happily accept the view that your interests are stupid?
It's typical Iger: "De-risk" attractions, just like they have done with movies. Don't create new stories ("Risk"), leverage existing IP ("De-risk").
Go ahead and "embrace reality", as you say. But what many people here rally against, and what you apparently support, is the reality that Disney is capable of more than what they do today. They have allowed their standards to slip to "good enough" when "exceptional" used to be the standard.
And FWIW, I think most CM's in the swamps are doing an exceptional job, considering their management's mantras and laser-like focus on the bottom line over all else.
Go ahead and "embrace reality", as you say. But what many people here rally against, and what you apparently support, is the reality that Disney is capable of more than what they do today. They have allowed their standards to slip to "good enough" when "exceptional" used to be the standard.
And FWIW, I think most CM's in the swamps are doing an exceptional job, considering their management's mantras and laser-like focus on the bottom line over all else.
jaxonp
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What more do you want them to do? They slacked for the last 10 years or so and it was awful.. we can all agree on that but... look what they're doing now. If you can't be happy with the billions... yes billions of dollars they are investing in WDW then I don't know what else they can do. Disney has essentially built a 5th gate between Avatar, ROL, Disney Springs, Star Wars Land, Toy Story Land, FEA and Soarin 2.0 and the impending changes to come to EPCOT. Yes, it took them far to long to move, but the game changed when Universal decided to compete. I want Disney to do more, but lets not be greedy and recognize what they are doing.
njDizFan
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With the exception of Splash, I cannot think of a single E-ticket Disney IP attraction(in Fla).
TSMM falls short
Mine Train..nope
mermaid..hahaha
Frozen... nice try
Now with SWL, possible Rat and Mickey rides coming, these will be the first of the new generation of rides tied directly to Disney IPs in Fla.
TSMM falls short
Mine Train..nope
mermaid..hahaha
Frozen... nice try
Now with SWL, possible Rat and Mickey rides coming, these will be the first of the new generation of rides tied directly to Disney IPs in Fla.
jaxonp
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What's the definition of E-Ticket? Dollars spent? Size, length or amount of animatronics? Because you might have just mentioned 3 of the most popular attractions at WDW... Nope you did.
Also,
Dinosaur
ToT
Star Tours
Pandora will be.
Edit: I'm not sure if you were excluding pixar, lucasarts, fox and CBS from this.
RoysCabin
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I can't really get behind the notion that Disney has to go more IP-driven due to the demands of the modern world or what have you; Disney thrives precisely because it's Disney, and on the theme park side of things it's a company that has built up over sixty years of goodwill via high concept thematic design and other environment setting features. While many people visit Disney theme parks hoping to "meet Mickey" and what have you, they show up just as much to take part in experiences like the Haunted Mansion or Jungle Cruise or Pirates, or any number of other concepts that are native to the parks, and that remains just as true today as it was ten, twenty, or fifty years ago. Back off the IP-driven rides and you aren't likely to see any marked decrease in attendance; for Iger and company it's more about simple synergy to further the ubiquity of Disney-owned properties, nothing more or less (not an insult, just the reality of modern entertainment companies).
I do appreciate a bit of the challenge, though; if kids are the market you're after, then kids are probably a bit more likely to be drawn by IP (not that adults aren't, of course), so if Universal is going to do Potter and Simpsons then Disney feels compelled to play catch up. Still, I'm pretty confident that a Disney World with less IPs wouldn't suddenly start losing much in the way of kids who still want to visit.
I do appreciate a bit of the challenge, though; if kids are the market you're after, then kids are probably a bit more likely to be drawn by IP (not that adults aren't, of course), so if Universal is going to do Potter and Simpsons then Disney feels compelled to play catch up. Still, I'm pretty confident that a Disney World with less IPs wouldn't suddenly start losing much in the way of kids who still want to visit.
GoofGoof
Premium Member
Dinosaur was not originally linked to an IP. They made a convoluted attempt to tie it into one after it was open, but I wouldn't count it. ToT and Pandora are related to non-Disney IP. Star Tours could count, but when it opened Star Wars wasn't a Disney IP although it is now.
E-ticket has a different meaning to everyone, but it is generally not just based on longest wait times.
Skipper of the SEA
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Today it is usually used purely as the quality of the attraction.
Mine Train is a D-ticket, while Big Thunder is an E-Ticket for obvious reasons like longer ride time theming etc.
Wait time really has nothing to do with it. Even Disney uses it to classify attractions. It really has little to nothing to do with the original ticketing system which was used for popularity.
jaxonp
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I completely disagree about this E-ticket classification. If the three most popular attractions, TSMM, FEA & SDMT aren't E-tickets than something is wrong with the system. They may not be enclosed in a giant mountain but the masses choose to ride them over anything else in each park. They aren't my favorite attraction by any stretch, but I see the value they bring and as to why they are so popular. I have been highly critical of FEA but there is no doubt those animatronics are incredible. The ride system is old and terrible, no doubt, but one could argue the ride system for Spaceship earth to be old, noisy and rickety and many believe that to be an E-ticket.
Did you take into account ride capacity? Did you take into account Fastpass plus? Park demographics? Is that how you came to "most popular?"
Swan Boats used to have a wait for them too.
Skipper of the SEA
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That's not how the system today works at all.
The only reason Frozen & TSMM have ultra high waits is because of outside factors like capacity. Now that TSMM has a third track rock n' Rollercoaster is now boasting higher wait times.
Though TSMM is technically an E-ticket, Frozen: Ever After & Seven dwarfs Mine Train are D-tickets.
By that logic you are literally saying Frozen (capacity ~1000 PH) is more deserving of the E-ticket title than Pirates just because of smaller capacity increasing wait times (capacity ~3000 PH).
Originally the system worked based on demand (tiki birds & The Country Bears were E-tickets), but today it is the quality of attractions. No matter how much you want to believe differently that is how it is used today.
It's like if the Pandora boat ride becomes more popular than the Banshee ride -- it won't change that it is still a D-ticket.
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