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Possible Attraction in France pavilion (Epcot) Update - new Attraction Greenlit
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Mike S
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They'll make another terrible rap?!?!?!
jaxonp
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I think people are underestimating how well the movie did....Rat did better than, Toy Story, Toy Story 2, Bugs Life, Monsters Inc, Incredibles, WallE, Cars, Cars 2 and Brave.
http://www.the-numbers.com/movies/production-company/Pixar
Also, Rat takes place in Paris.. not sure how BaTB is a better fit because it takes place in France????
And let's not forget that BaTB has the most elaborate meet and greet, the most popular and overly themed restaurant, a secondary meet and greet with Gaston, Gaston's pub and a giftshop as well as BaTB stage show at Studios.. Yea and think BaTB is well represented at WDW already...
http://www.the-numbers.com/movies/production-company/Pixar
Also, Rat takes place in Paris.. not sure how BaTB is a better fit because it takes place in France????
And let's not forget that BaTB has the most elaborate meet and greet, the most popular and overly themed restaurant, a secondary meet and greet with Gaston, Gaston's pub and a giftshop as well as BaTB stage show at Studios.. Yea and think BaTB is well represented at WDW already...
Princess Leia
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You forgot The Good Dinosaur... but then again, so did the rest of the world.
The Incredibles numbers are a little off on that site. Here's what I found on Box Office Mojo:
http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=incredibles.htm
http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=ratatouille.htm
The Incredibles had a higher box office, but it wasn't by too much ($13 million) in comparison to other movies.
Bocabear
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I would agree...and tonally, it is just not a good fit for EPCOT period... Rat fits perfectly with the pavilion...build the entrance on the Morocco side of France, leave the Impressions De France theater and side street intact, and I think it would be perfect!
ToTBellHop
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It's not. It's a fairytale setting while Ratatouille is clearly set in gritty, yet romantic, contemporary Paris. Far more appropriate if we must use IP.
You do realize that your desire to dictate the narrative of the discussion is a coping mechanism to convince yourself, not others, that this attraction should be built in France pavilion.
Please do not take that as an insult or attack. Your superiority complex with this topic was born when you convinced yourself after riding it that, "it would be a good fit for Epcot" because it has food and is in Paris. You feel you solved a problem with your personal opinion and now must defend it. "Y'all are gonna look silly", "its a good fit", "its the best fit", "Epcot is dead", "embrace it". We all cope in different ways.
HMF
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The key word being "IF".
jaxonp
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Interesting, so instead of having a discussion, on a discussion board after all, you've resorted to some random personal attack labeling me as having a superiority complex. You might want to take a quick look in the mirror before you spend too much time attacking other posters. Good day sir.
The Empress Lilly
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I'll bet a fair bit of money that I've done more rides on Rat in every year it's been open than you'll do in your lifetime, and no, RAT is disastrous for WS.
It'll no doubt be a resounding success, just like in WDSP.. The ride is cute, the films are great. The movement and effects are sadly too tame - if these can be kicked up one or rather two notches it'll be a thoroughly solid ride, shooting to the top four of EPCOT - Soarin' over the CGI, Test Neon, and Frozen Forever Undercapacity. But furthering WS RAT will not.
Animaniac93-98
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You forgot The Good Dinosaur... but then again, so did the rest of the world.
The Incredibles numbers are a little off on that site. Here's what I found on Box Office Mojo:
http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=incredibles.htm
http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=ratatouille.htm
The Incredibles had a higher box office, but it wasn't by too much ($13 million) in comparison to other movies.
You're not adjusting for inflation:
http://forums.wdwmagic.com/threads/disney-animated-box-office-adjusted-2016.924743/
jaxonp
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Fair, I've only been to Parc Disneyland 4 times and that said, I walked away still completely impressed each time i rode the attraction. Maybe Disney purists don't like it as much because of the screens? It definitely feels like something Universal produced and then Disney came in and added finesse.
Why is Rat disastrous for WS? Also, agreed the ride is a tad tame. That is, for me, more of a concern for Star Wars is for Rat. I know it's been mentioned that Alcatraz will be a intensified version of LPS that we haven't seen yet.
Princess Leia
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Thanks!
jaxonp
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those are just domestic numbers.. Worldwide numbers look a lot different using inflation or non-inflated numbers.
Animaniac93-98
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Worldwide or not, using non inflated numbers is pointless when comparing films released 10 years apart (like Ratatouille and Toy Story 1).
jaxonp
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That's true.
The Empress Lilly
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I'm not skipping the main topic, WS, for inconsequential details.
In 1982 there was no shortage whatsover of WS country related charismatic movie IP:
France: Aristocats and Cinderella
Germany: Snow
Italy: Pinocchio
Mexico: 3 Caballeros
USA: Dumbo, Lady and the Tramp
UK:. 101 Dalmatians, Pooh, Poppins,. Sword in the Stone. Even Peter Pan and Toad
Etc
Yet, none of these were remotely considered! Because they are completely antithetical to WS. Because they would ruin the theme, in a way that is risible, laughable. Because they would limit what Disney is, would limit what Disney storytelling could do. Disney was showing with EPCOT just how much it could handle, just how broad its artistry was.. And what a magnificent tour de force they delivered!
Future World was destroyed in the Epcotalypse of the 90's. It is painful to now see the same mistake happen all over again to WS. Whiich is slowly being suffocated by marketing driven managers, useless theorists and mediocre designers eager to have their take. All to thunderous applause from an audience nowadays accustomed to a painfully narrow idea of what it means to be 'Disney'.
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The real rescueranger
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I think you all need to realize that Disney has to appeal to the general masses and not to some group of fan boys on a Disney forum. They have to build rides that include things most of the public recognizes. Call it the dumbing down of America or whatever but that is the facts. I am not saying that is a good thing or a bad thing. That is just life. If they build something that a narrow group of people on fan forums would like, but the large majority of average people wouldn't, they would lose guests. If they lose guests, they lose money and nothing gets approved. Like it or not, IP driven rides is where the money is.
Weaker than Aquatopia or Luigi's Rollickin' Roadsters?