Pix's Super Happy Fun "Why is my ticket made of paper" thread

[WDWPrnces02]

I loved my annual pass....yeah, so, it was paper thin.....but if you think about the positive side of the pass....This pass lets you come and go as you please for a whole year.....all you would need to pay for on your fallowing trips for that year is ...hotel, food, shopping, airfair....If you got the other passes, such as length of stay or whatever the new one is called, once your done with the pass..thats it...so the next vacation you need to buy another pass plus hotel , food , airfair, shopping.......

The annual has good usage, if you want to budget your vacation....Thats my 2cents worth.......

ok getting off my soapbox now....

 

[Pixie Duster]

Thank you all for your input.
I guess the other thing I should have asked everyone is just how important the material of the ticket is to you. Feel free to add to that... in fact I may change the first post to reflect that.

I also want to thank you for your patience with me as I learn how to communicate in a more professional, diplomatic manner.

 

[AEfx]

Thank you all for your input.
I guess the other thing I should have asked everyone is just how important the material of the ticket is to you. Feel free to add to that... in fact I may change the first post to reflect that.

In my case, it's not VITALLY important...but it is definately something I think about every time I use the turnstyles. For Christmas I got this beautiful keepsake chest with drawers and such (the first thing to go in were the pins!! - I think the person that bought it from me got sick of them sitting on my kitchen table, hehe) and I also made a drawer for my reciepts, etc. that I save from WDW. Sure, those are paper - but are a memento of just one meal. My AP represents a whole year of my life in terms of remembering Disney - I just wish it looked more worthy.

I also want to thank you for your patience with me as I learn how to communicate in a more professional, diplomatic manner.

And I think you will be just fine with that as well. Just remember that we do appriciate CMs like you who post, but being an "out" CM carries some responsibilities in threads like this. I think you get that - and I do enjoy the majority of your postings and am glad that you understood what I was trying to say; to be frank, I wouldn't have said it if I didn't like you - if I didn't think what you had to say in general was as good as it is I wouldn't have bothered and would have just shrugged it off.

Thanks for the positive rep, BTW - here is some back at ya!

AEfx

 

[Montu]

The "paper" tickets are used because that is all that is available to print on if you get your tickets / annual pass from any Disney park (as well as TTC, Guest Relations, and Downtown Disney). The printers are loaded with a reel of the tickets, they are not individual pieces of paper that they can switch out. Since any given Disney ticket venue has to sell anything from 1 day tickets to Annual passes they have to have ticket system that is consistent. If they were to have a different printing area for regular tickets and a seperate printing set-up for Seasonal or Annual passes it would be time consuming for the Guest and Cast Member, and it would not be cost effective either.

The very notion that this is the reasoning is simply bizzare. Virtually every major theme park in the country that offers some type of annual or seasonal ticket has a plastic one - and in almost all cases, they can be purchased at any ticket window at or around the park with any of the other ticket media. You simply get it processed at some point during your day - usually much less than five minutes of your time - and you're on your way. There really is nothing that is time consuming or not cost effective about that process - as in many other parks the pass processing can also handle other such things as ticketing issues or upgrades. Some such as Universal can also handle Dining Reservations for anywhere throughout property. Point is they're not paying a new set of employees to just sit there and wait for someone to buy a pass to be processed - they serve several other pratical purposes. The only obvious cost effective issue is that a plastic ticket would cost a fraction of a cent more than a paper pass - and that's likely the real bottom line here.

 

[PhotoDave219]

What DOES happen on these boards ALL the time it seems, is when someone dares to oppose the majority opinion, he or she is INSTANTLY beseiged by responses which border on rude, out of context, and entirely across the line of good manners.

Just because someone responds to an individual and may GOD FORBID, disagree with you, doesn't mean they are attacking YOU. It means they disagree. PERIOD!!!

Exactly. I completely disagree with you, for i find most of your posts to be lacking in good manners. Its blatently obvious that we disagree on that point, because i feel that youre posts are lacking in manners and respect towards other posters. I disagree with the opinion that you think you do.

 

[Montu]

Exactly. I completely disagree with you, for i find most of your posts to be lacking in good manners. Its blatently obvious that we disagree on that point, because i feel that youre posts are lacking in manners and respect towards other posters. I disagree with the opinion that you think you do.

But don't you see? If the core clique of members is disagreed with - even if the opposing statement is the most logical there could possibly be, it is a "personal attack." What this person said is completely accurate to how I feel as well. There's a huge "be nice we're all one big Disney Family" attitude that is tried to be conveyed - but the underlying theme to that is "...as long as you agree with all of our ideas and smile and nod to anything we say."

 

[Pixie Duster]

I do not owe any loyalty to anyone here. No matter how close I may be to anyone here, I do not owe them any degree of alliance. If I disagree with anyone of my friends' stance on any issue here I will debate with them. The art of debate is to skillfully and respectfully present your view and respectfully listen to the opposing views in hopes of furthering your own understanding of the issue at hand. Many people get on here and use the boards as a way to express their views without fully listening to others and hoping to convince others to see things their way. That's not how it should work.
So as much as I get tired of hearing that Disney is just being cheap by using paper passes I have listened. I can totally see how it seems that way. But I really think the reason I presented at the beginning of the thread has some strong merit to it. It is possibility that the reason presented to me was merely a song and dance. But the truth is the Company does use a reel to print up tickets. I believe that is so because it is cost and time effective to use the reel. I really think I went backwards with this, and I am considering conducting a different measurement for this issue.

 

[imagineer boy]

Wow, this is one happy fun thread. Hennie, just listen. Stop making extremely long lectures about how uncivilized we are and that we need to be more polite to you. We are all good people, but there's always gonna be a little weasle that starts an argument and ruins a good thread. It's inevidable. There's nothing you or I can do about it. Take Montu for example, he finds the littlest things that p*ss him off in a thread and starts a pointless argument. He's ruined two good threads already. Just look at the "Favorite MK park" and see what I mean.

 

[ACE]

WOW! I read one page of this and thought OMG! In a manly way of course. This is not something to argue about. If you don't like the tickets, let WDW know they are the only ones who can do anything about it.

I had annual passes in 2000 - 2001 and went three times for a week each time. There are five of us and not one of our tickets ever had a problem. Matter of fact we still have the tickets and you can hardly tell they have been used. Believe me they were, we never got our hand stamped and used them when park hopping.

If you take care of something it will last. But this is definitely not something to argue about.

ACE

 

[PhilharMagician]

I asked this question when I got my AP's in December. The answer that the CM gave me was the plastic card become demagnetized to easily and have to be replaced more often. Then she reminded me that a USF AP's cost money to have replaced if they fail or get lost, but @ WDW they will be replaced for free.

I do not have a problem with the paper passes.

 

[barnum42]

LMAO at some of the petty beeaching that's going on around here. :lol:

 

[AKQJ10]

Having been an AP for some time now, I have wondered this since I was first issued a ticket. However, I never had reason to really pursue this until my last trip, when my MVMCP ticket was on hard plastic. Yes, a ticket that would be swiped once and never used again was made of durable plastic, as opposed to the cheap paper/teflon-like substance as my AP.

So, I finally asked a Lead at Guest Relations what the deal was, expecting an answer that just wouldn't satisfy me.

He explained that the plastic cards are quite expensive to produce (understandable), especially in relation to the plastic cards. He went on to state that the magnetic strips on the back are quite fragile, and often become unreadable (as we all know), partially because they contain so much information. So, rather than constaly replace the more expensive cards for guests (which would result in higher ticket prices, he explained), they use the cheaper cards which can be replaced as needed.

OK, so that makes some sense, I guess. But relatively speaking, they should give this higher quality card to guests who they know will be returning time after time. Just a nice perk, I would think. Plus, they should also have some sort of designation on them showing that you are an AP. (Kinda like a gold AMEX)

Just my 2 cents

 

[Pixie Duster]

If I may asked, which do you think other people see more the ticket or the brightly colored holder? Personally I feel the brightly colored sleeve gets more attention than the ticket. The ticket is not out as much as the sleeve based on what I see in the parks. The ticket comes out of the sleeve, goes in the orange slot, comes out, goes back in the sleeve. Same for Fastpasses. But again this is just my perception I am not a passholder.

 

[xfkirsten]

I asked this question when I got my AP's in December. The answer that the CM gave me was the plastic card become demagnetized to easily and have to be replaced more often. Then she reminded me that a USF AP's cost money to have replaced if they fail or get lost, but @ WDW they will be replaced for free.

I do not have a problem with the paper passes.

Demagnetized more easily? Really? I've never had any problems like that with my DL AP.

 

[AKQJ10]

I never carry around the holder they gave me - it's a little thick so I just keep it in a clear holder with my fastpasses, etc. for easy access.

 

[Montu]

Wow, this is one happy fun thread. Hennie, just listen. Stop making extremely long lectures about how uncivilized we are and that we need to be more polite to you. We are all good people, but there's always gonna be a little weasle that starts an argument and ruins a good thread. It's inevidable. There's nothing you or I can do about it. Take Montu for example, he finds the littlest things that p*ss him off in a thread and starts a pointless argument. He's ruined two good threads already. Just look at the "Favorite MK park" and see what I mean.

Oh, I'm sorry. You've actually mistaken me for the people in that thread that kept accidently making the same ignorant statement over and over.

By the way, nice try at attacking me there! Thing is - you're 15 years old. You can't even drive a car yet. How do you expect me to take you seriously when you try to do something like that?

 

[Montu]

I asked this question when I got my AP's in December. The answer that the CM gave me was the plastic card become demagnetized to easily and have to be replaced more often. Then she reminded me that a USF AP's cost money to have replaced if they fail or get lost, but @ WDW they will be replaced for free.

I do not have a problem with the paper passes.

That's completely untrue! I am shocked that a Cast Member told you that, to be honest! If your AP does not work, or just stops working at any point for whatever reason - you take it to any Guest Services desk around Universal Orlando and they will tell you what needs to be done to fix it. In all likely-hood, that would be just printing a new one at Vacation Services where your picture and pass information is already on file and ready to print, free of charge. Losing a pass to anywhere in the country tends to come with a replacement fee - usually after the second time it's lost. The fee would obviously differ from park to park chain, but tends to hover around $10. Like what I had to pay at Knott's Berry Farm since I couldn't find my Cedar Fair one two weeks ago :hammer:

Did she also tell you that if you lose a company issued employee ID at Universal Orlando, the replacement cost is $10, yet if you lose the same piece of plastic for Walt Disney World the replacement is $35? Hmmm - suddenly doesn't look like Universal is the only one trying to rack money off 'ya, huh?

 

[Montu]

One last idea that's funny when you think about it in the scheme of all this plastic is worse than paper non-sense:

Disney claims they don't do it because there's a whole slew of cons against the plastic, yes? Demagnetizes too easy, costs too much, too hard to replace, etc. Alright. Sure. So that's the reason.

Why do they use plastic for annual, seasonal and resident passes at the California Resort to this date? Could it be because a very large percentage of their normal attendance is driven by local annual passholders who have given the resort large sums of money over their one year? A realistic issue is that WDW is just not a hugely driven AP attended destination. Not nearly when compared to other theme parks throughout the country.

For what it's worth the Paris Resort used plastic too - though not fully owned by the Walt Disney Co., so that could have been a decision made by Euro Disney SCA.

 

[Pixie Duster]

One last idea that's funny when you think about it in the scheme of all this plastic is worse than paper non-sense:

Why do they use plastic for annual, seasonal and resident passes at the California Resort to this date? Could it be because a very large percentage of their normal attendance is driven by local annual passholders who have given the resort large sums of money over their one year? A realistic issue is that WDW is just not a hugely driven AP attended destination. Not nearly when compared to other theme parks throughout the country.

For what it's worth the Paris Resort used plastic too - though not fully owned by the Walt Disney Co., so that could have been a decision made by Euro Disney SCA.

WDW has the most variety of tickets, and the highest attendance of any of the parks mentioned that use plastic for their APs. Since the volume is higher and the variety is greater it is more effecient to have one consistent material for the main ticket locations. Again I am fully aware that the resorts and online tickets are plastic, but I have addressed the reasons for that earlier.
Once again our turnstiles are different than the other parks and it has been noted that the room keys and online tickets (which are plastic) tend to be demagnitized at higher rate than the paper tickets.
And let's just say for debate sake that Disney is just trying to save money, from what I have seen in the other thread that expands on this topics, so far it is no big deal to people. So if it really is not important to our Guest then we are going to go with what is more cost effective. If it really was a big issue for our Guests maybe it would be reconsidered, but as of right now it seems it is not worth it.
Now once again let's stop the arguing, debating is fine, if it can be handled in a mature manner. Right now it seems that it cannot be handled, I hope I will be proven wrong.

 

[imagineer boy]

Oh, I'm sorry. You've actually mistaken me for the people in that thread that kept accidently making the same ignorant statement over and over.

By the way, nice try at attacking me there! Thing is - you're 15 years old. You can't even drive a car yet. How do you expect me to take you seriously when you try to do something like that?

just FYI, I got a TON of positive reputation points for that one post that I posted that you quoted.