Pixie Hollow To Replace Swiss Family Treehouse?

muteki

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Wouldn't they have all sorts of scale problems? It's been forever since I have seen any of the movies, but if this is the tree from the film, isn't it more the size of shrubbery?
 
Magenta Panther

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MaxsDad said:
If you are going to re-theme the tree, theme it to The Lost Boys. At least that's adventurous, ties in with pirates, and you could still include Tink.
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That's a great idea! Turn it into the Lost Boy's Hideout! Perhaps TDO could build around it and create a twilight forest effect, where you could enter Pixie Hollow at one point and meet the fairies.
 
tl77

tl77

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I can't quite see the logic in remaking the Swiss Family movie to promote a 40 year old attraction

The reason they built the tree house attraction in the first place was to capitalize on the popularity of movie, and the only reason they would convert the tree to pixie-land is to capitalize on the popularity of those movies

Whether you agree with this PH SFR rumor or not, I think people need to accept the fact that Walt Disney Park attraction are basically just giant pieces of advertising, which is exactly what Walt Disney himself intended them to be
 
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RandySavage

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tl77 said:
which is exactly what Walt Disney himself intended them to be
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I could probably find as many pieces of evidence refuting that as one could supporting it. Yes, there was always an element of the park(s) supporting the Studio, but there were also many pieces (under Walt) that existed for their own sake, not solely promoting a film or tv series.

Ideally, the parks can serve a loftier purpose that just "ride the movies". For example, the great thing about the SFT (versus the Toon-Tarzan version or this heinous Pixie direct-to-dvd rumor) is that one never need know about the 1960 film (are there any overt connections?) to appreciate it, because the attraction is sourced on a classic work of literature that has been popular since the early 1800s. Tom Sawyer Island is similar situation. These places can even serve to turn curious visitors to Wyss' or Twain's books (they did me). Tarzan at DL and HKDL could have been done in an understated, classy way (paying homage to Burroughs' books and with nods to animated film), but they slathered it in static fiberglass cartoon recreations from the film.
 
lazyboy97o

lazyboy97o

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tl77 said:
Whether you agree with this PH SFR rumor or not, I think people need to accept the fact that Walt Disney Park attraction are basically just giant pieces of advertising, which is exactly what Walt Disney himself intended them to be
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If this were the case, then you'd think Walt would have stayed more involved in the Studio instead of being distracted with things like the non-film additions to Disneyland, 1964-1965 New York World's Fair, the Mineral King Ski Resort or EPCOT. All of those have less and less to do with anything happening at the Studio.
 
tl77

tl77

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RandySavage said:
I could probably find as many pieces of evidence refuting that as one could supporting it. Yes, there was always an element of the park(s) supporting the Studio, but there were also many pieces (under Walt) that existed for their own sake, not solely promoting a film or tv series.

Ideally, the parks can serve a loftier purpose that just "ride the movies". For example, the great thing about the SFT (versus the Toon-Tarzan version or this heinous Pixie direct-to-dvd rumor) is that one never need know about the 1960 film (are there any overt connections?) to appreciate it, because the attraction is sourced on a classic work of literature that has been popular since the early 1800s. Tom Sawyer Island is similar situation. These places can even serve to turn curious visitors to Wyss' or Twain's books (they did me). Tarzan at DL and HKDL could have been done in an understated, classy way (paying homage to Burroughs' books and with nods to animated film), but they slathered it in static fiberglass cartoon recreations from the film.
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lazyboy97o said:
If this were the case, then you'd think Walt would have stayed more involved in the Studio instead of being distracted with things like the non-film additions to Disneyland, 1964-1965 New York World's Fair, the Mineral King Ski Resort or EPCOT. All of those have less and less to do with anything happening at the Studio.
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Well here's the thing about this Pixie Hollow /SFR Tree house rumor in particular...

They've been putting out these Fairy movies one a year for the last few years, and they're already promoting the next one for spring 2014, and along with that they have series of books based on those characters, on-line games, toys, clothes, all the typical merch... basically they've invested a lot into Tinker Bell and friends, and it's obviously making money for them because they keep doing it

When they first launched these new Fairy films, they originally gave them a M&G in the "Toon Town/Star-land" tent. Then when the plans leaked for the FLE that tent was supposed to be replaced by Pixie Hollow with the big artificial tree from those films, but instead decided to save money by simply "re-themeing" the "Star-land" tents as "Storybook Circus" tents, and relocated the Fairy M&G to Adventureland, right across from the big artificial tree that is the SFR Tree house... you see where this is going?

It's seems to me like someone looked at the original FLE plans and said "why build a big artificial tree in Fantasyland, when we've already got one in Adventureland?" then moved the Fairies there

Mickey and Minnie's houses were very nice walk through attractions, that the torn down to make the souvenir and M&G tents bigger, would they do the same thing to the SFR Tree-house? I think it stands to reason that they would. Plus the Disneyland version of Pixie Hollow is on the exact spot that the "House of The Future" walk through used to be, it seems like they have no problem replacing "walk throughs" with things that make money

whether you like it or not, I think this rumor may have some validly to it
 
lazyboy97o

lazyboy97o

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tl77 said:
Well here's the thing about this Pixie Hollow /SFR Tree house rumor in particular...

They've been putting out these Fairy movies one a year for the last few years, and they're already promoting the next one for spring 2014, and along with that they have series of books based on those characters, on-line games, toys, clothes, all the typical merch... basically they've invested a lot into Tinker Bell and friends, and it's obviously making money for them because they keep doing it

When they first launched these new Fairy films, they originally gave them a M&G in the "Toon Town/Star-land" tent. Then when the plans leaked for the FLE that tent was supposed to be replaced by Pixie Hollow with the big artificial tree from those films, but instead decided to save money by simply "re-themeing" the "Star-land" tents as "Storybook Circus" tents, and relocated the Fairy M&G to Adventureland, right across from the big artificial tree that is the SFR Tree house... you see where this is going?

It's seems to me like someone looked at the original FLE plans and said "why build a big artificial tree in Fantasyland, when we've already got one in Adventureland?" then moved the Fairies there

Mickey and Minnie's houses were very nice walk through attractions, that the torn down to make the souvenir and M&G tents bigger, would they do the same thing to the SFR Tree-house? I think it stands to reason that they would. Plus the Disneyland version of Pixie Hollow is on the exact spot that the "House of The Future" walk through used to be, it seems like they have no problem replacing "walk throughs" with things that make money

whether you like it or not, I think this rumor may have some validly to it
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Talk about changing the subject and missing some bits while you were at it. Pixie Hollow at Disneyland is quite small and it was cut from Fantasyland in order to fund the more expensive coaster.
 
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RandySavage

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tl77 said:
whether you like it or not, I think this rumor may have some validly to it
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I'm not saying what you've written isn't something TDO would consider (it actually sounds exactly like something the current mindset would do. My fear is that this concept gets past the contemplative stage - which I don't think is unlikely, sadly). I was debating the statement that Walt thought the parks are there solely to promote movies. Even if Walt did think that, I think balance and originality are better rules for park content.

Any Pixie/Tinkerbell presence in Adventureland doesn't constitute Best Practice for several reasons: one being it further dilutes the distinction/unique-ness among the MK lands (Neverland characters across multiple lands); another being it reduces "real-world" material in favor of "toon-world" material.

I didn't think the current M&G was permanent, but it doesn't look like it's going anywhere, unfortunately. Having a Jack Sparrow M&G in Frontierland would be the equivalent. Carelessness with Theme adds up and eventually the whole point of Theme is negated and you're left with a less meaningful hodgepodge of Disney brands.

I will say the Paris designers handled this type of Neverland/Adventureland transition very well. But the same sort of thing isn't physically possible in the MK.
 
MaryJaneP

MaryJaneP

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40 years is too old to be relevant? What shortsightedness this country has! Recently travelled out of country and things only get old in terms of centuries, not decades. No wonder why nothing lasts more than a generation here. WDW has outlived a generation. Is it too old, or just SFRT?
 
tl77

tl77

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lazyboy97o said:
Talk about changing the subject and missing some bits while you were at it. Pixie Hollow at Disneyland is quite small and it was cut from Fantasyland in order to fund the more expensive coaster.
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If anybody is missing the point here it's you. They tore down Mickey Mouse's house for a souvenir shop and a meet and greet, what makes you think they wouldn't do the same to the Swiss Family Robinson's house?
 
tl77

tl77

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RandySavage said:
I'm not saying what you've written isn't something TDO would consider (it actually sounds exactly like something the current mindset would do. My fear is that this concept gets past the contemplative stage - which I don't think is unlikely, sadly). I was debating the statement that Walt thought the parks are there solely to promote movies. Even if Walt did think that, I think balance and originality are better rules for park content.

Any Pixie/Tinkerbell presence in Adventureland doesn't constitute Best Practice for several reasons: one being it further dilutes the distinction/unique-ness among the MK lands (Neverland characters across multiple lands); another being it reduces "real-world" material in favor of "toon-world" material.

I didn't think the current M&G was permanent, but it doesn't look like it's going anywhere, unfortunately. Having a Jack Sparrow M&G in Frontierland would be the equivalent. Carelessness with Theme adds up and eventually the whole point of Theme is negated and you're left with a less meaningful hodgepodge of Disney brands.

I will say the Paris designers handled this type of Neverland/Adventureland transition very well. But the same sort of thing isn't physically possible in the MK.
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Well shortly before the opening of Disneyland ,Walt Disney decided to name the castle "Sleeping Beauty's Castle" to tie in with his new film "Sleeping Beauty" because old Walt had no problem promoting his own stuff

That aside though, over the past 20 years the Magic Kingdom in Florida has become a lot more "magical" and a lot less "realistic". They turned Tomorrowland into a kind of cartoon world, added Splash Mountain to Frontierland, recently revamped Fantasyland, and gave the all buildings on Main Street and Liberty Square a bright new "Crayola" color scheme, and it just looks to me like Adventerland is next in line for the cartoon treatment

It already has a "comedic" Jungle Cruise, an "enchanted" Tiki Room, a Flying Carpets spinner, Mermaids with the Pirates, and are in the process of adding a bunch of magic pirate games around the place. And in the same way they turned "If you had Wings" into "Buzz Lightyear" I really wouldn't be surprised at all if they turned SFR Tree house into Pixie Hollow, and the turned the Veranda into a Fairy themed gift shop, because that's pretty much what they've done every were else in the Park

I don't get the impression they're all that concerned with preserving the unique-ness of each land, it seems like they're trying to erase it, and spread the "name brand" cartoon magic every place they possible can
 
lazyboy97o

lazyboy97o

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tl77 said:
If anybody is missing the point here it's you. They tore down Mickey Mouse's house for a souvenir shop and a meet and greet, what makes you think they wouldn't do the same to the Swiss Family Robinson's house?
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No, I do not doubt it as a potential move by Disney today, but I was refuting your claim that in its origins and initial development Disneyland was always subservient to the Studio as a marketing devise.
 
luv

luv

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tl77 said:
Well shortly before the opening of Disneyland ,Walt Disney decided to name the castle "Sleeping Beauty's Castle" to tie in with his new film "Sleeping Beauty" because old Walt had no problem promoting his own stuff

That aside though, over the past 20 years the Magic Kingdom in Florida has become a lot more "magical" and a lot less "realistic". They turned Tomorrowland into a kind of cartoon world, added Splash Mountain to Frontierland, recently revamped Fantasyland, and gave the all buildings on Main Street and Liberty Square a bright new "Crayola" color scheme, and it just looks to me like Adventerland is next in line for the cartoon treatment

It already has a "comedic" Jungle Cruise, an "enchanted" Tiki Room, a Flying Carpets spinner, Mermaids with the Pirates, and are in the process of adding a bunch of magic pirate games around the place. And in the same way they turned "If you had Wings" into "Buzz Lightyear" I really wouldn't be surprised at all if they turned SFR Tree house into Pixie Hollow, and the turned the Veranda into a Fairy themed gift shop, because that's pretty much what they've done every were else in the Park

I don't get the impression they're all that concerned with preserving the unique-ness of each land, it seems like they're trying to erase it, and spread the "name brand" cartoon magic every place they possible can
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Interesting perspective. Things that make you go Hmmm. :)
 
unkadug

unkadug

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tl77 said:
If anybody is missing the point here it's you. They tore down Mickey Mouse's house for a souvenir shop and a meet and greet, what makes you think they wouldn't do the same to the Swiss Family Robinson's house?
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Mickey's house was built as a temporary attraction. SFT was not.
 

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