Pirates refurb dates released

[Kram Sacul]

The reddit conversation on these changes definitely has a far more positive spin on the new auction segment than we do on here. Dissenters who dislike the new one are brigaded with downvotes, while people advocating for Redd and the disgustingness of the original scene are showered with agreement.

Which means, the public loves this. It's here to stay- and though the character "Redd" will fade into obscurity and not become the female Jack Sparrow some want her to be. I just hope that I get used to the new scene after a few dozen rides, so it doesn't stick out for me like it does now.

A lot of Disney Tide Pods being consumed on that board.

 

[Deleted member 107043]

The reddit conversation on these changes definitely has a far more positive spin on the new auction segment than we do on here. Dissenters who dislike the new one are brigaded with downvotes, while people advocating for Redd and the disgustingness of the original scene are showered with agreement.

There's only about 10-15 active posters in this conversation, so I expect most customers will feel either positive or unconcerned about the changes, though it's too early to draw any conclusions. In some ways it's reminiscent of the Mission Breakout debates last year. Lot's of negative opinions here, but in the end the public enthusiastically embraced the transformation. I'm expecting a similar outcome for Pixar Pier.

 

[Brer Oswald]

I don’t think there’s a lot of people that are positive on this change. I think most are indifferent to it. Then there’s us

 

[GiveMeTheMusic]

I think you are talking about the new figure at DL, right? That one is obvious. I’m talking about the Jack Sparrow AA in Shanghai — there’s no way that’s the case there as far as I can tell.

The skeleton Sparrow effect in Shanghai is breathtaking in person. There is definitely some protection element involved as if you look closely when riding, there is some kind of glass in place when you see him from the skeleton angle.

Regardless, it’s a spectacular effect.

 

[Kram Sacul]

I thought the Jack Sparrow effect in Shanghai was just a projection of a skeleton on top of the AA. No glass.

 

[dweezil78]

I thought the Jack’s sparrow effect in Shanghai was just a projection of a skeleton on top of the AA. No glass.

While there’s no doubt projection used, I’d be shocked if it was 100% projection. It really looks like there’s a physical skeleton prop underneath
the Jack Sparrow AA which would be tough to pull off with only projection.

 

[Kram Sacul]

While there’s no doubt projection used, I’d be shocked if it was 100% projection. It really looks like there’s a physical skeleton prop underneath
the Jack Sparrow AA which would be tough to pull off with only projection.

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To me it looks like a skeleton projection that moves slightly with the perspective of the boat to give it the illusion of depth. I can’t see any glass.

 

[mickEblu]

When it comes to theme park attractions, the skeleton/ Jack Sparrow effect In Shanghai is the only thing I’ve marveled at in my adult life. I imagine guests experienced this a lot in the 50s and 60s.

EDIT: I also marveled at the RSR rockwork but didn’t have the “how the heck did they do that” reaction.

 

[Travel Junkie]

To me it looks like a skeleton projection that moves slightly with the perspective of the boat to give it the illusion of depth. I can’t see any glass.

I doubt there is any camera that could pick up the glass. In person you can if you really look for it. It gets a whoa from everyone in the boat pretty much every time.

This one and the idol effect in Tokyo's Tower of Terror (even if that one is relatively simple) are the most impressive for me.

 

[George Lucas on a Bench]

I heard that Redd is pansexual.

 

[George Lucas on a Bench]

It seems like if you defend the glory of the original perfect scene, touchy modern liberals immediately emerge out of the woodwork and declare you to be a pathetic misogynist who condones sexual slavery. I just liked the scene the way it was. But you know what? The fat jokes were hilarious. And so was the sexual innuendo.

 

[TP2000]

Then there's this forum- which I think strikes an excellent balance of some critical posters, some very positive ones, a few balanced ones- everyone coming from all over the political spectrum. Everyone on here respects eachother (I see this place get moderated very rarely- which means the mods are good at removing posts quick or it's just a mature group of people), allowing for vocal discussion of all aspects of the park and park management. I've actually learned quite a bit here.

I've been posting on Disneyland message boards since the mid 1990's on the alt.disney.disneyland usenet groups. This is by far the most reasonable, intelligent, witty and enjoyable group of regular posters of any message board I've been on in the last 23 years. A.D.D., D-I-G, Laughingplace, Mouseplanet, Mouseinfo, Miceage, etc. None of those communities has been as sharp and witty as this group currently is.

 

[Animaniac93-98]

It seems like if you defend the glory of the original perfect scene, touchy modern liberals immediately emerge out of the woodwork and declare you to be a pathetic misogynist who condones sexual slavery.

These same people are often surprised to find out said scene existed (50 year later) and didn't have much of an interest in going to Disneyland in the first place.

 

[George Lucas on a Bench]

In the words of Rambo in Rambo: First Blood Part II...%#!$ 'em.

 

[Kram Sacul]

These same people are often surprised to find out said scene existed (50 year later) and didn't have much of an interest in going to Disneyland in the first place.

Exactly. Whenever you read those type of comments 99% of the time its by someone that's clueless of the situation and knows squat about Disney, Disneyland or theme parks. The other 1% are just trolling and will throw out the usual "Disneyland will never be completed" as if that's an excuse for bad decisions.

 

[SuddenStorm]

It honestly seems like the original auction scene has caused more drama in the last six months, than it has in the previous 50 years.

Remember- it used to be a funny scene with a popular figure and dialogue that Disney promoted and sold merchandise for. It was definitely on the edgier side of Disney humor, but the cartoon nature and obvious comedy of the scene portrayed it in such a way that people (at least me) didn't read to much into it, understanding that trafficking is horrific. Kind of like how people can watch a slasher film with a serial killer for entertainment- yes, murder is horrible, but fictional media is fake. The original auction scene certainly hasn't hurt the ride's popularity.

Now, the original scene is a horrific, distateful, offensive misogynist mess, and anyone who defends it is a pig. The new scene is better in every way since Redd is a "Brassy Buccaneer" who doesn't have a husband since "her only love is profits"- giving young girls a cool pirate to see and relate to in the ride.

And remember- it's 10 for a hen!

 

[Californian Elitist]

These same people are often surprised to find out said scene existed (50 year later) and didn't have much of an interest in going to Disneyland in the first place.

Exactly. Whenever you read those type of comments 99% of the time its by someone that's clueless of the situation and knows squat about Disney, Disneyland or theme parks. The other 1% are just trolling and will throw out the usual "Disneyland will never be completed" as if that's an excuse for bad decisions.

It honestly seems like the original auction scene has caused more drama in the last six months, than it has in the previous 50 years.

Remember- it used to be a funny scene with a popular figure and dialogue that Disney promoted and sold merchandise for. It was definitely on the edgier side of Disney humor, but the cartoon nature and obvious comedy of the scene portrayed it in such a way that people (at least me) didn't read to much into it, understanding that trafficking is horrific. Kind of like how people can watch a slasher film with a serial killer for entertainment- yes, murder is horrible, but fictional media is fake. The original auction scene certainly hasn't hurt the ride's popularity.

Now, the original scene is a horrific, distateful, offensive misogynist mess, and anyone who defends it is a pig. The new scene is better in every way since Redd is a "Brassy Buccaneer" who doesn't have a husband since "her only love is profits"- giving you girls a cool pirate to see and relate to in the ride.

And remember- it's 10 for a hen!

Big facts.

 

[celluloid]

It honestly seems like the original auction scene has caused more drama in the last six months, than it has in the previous 50 years.

Remember- it used to be a funny scene with a popular figure and dialogue that Disney promoted and sold merchandise for. It was definitely on the edgier side of Disney humor, but the cartoon nature and obvious comedy of the scene portrayed it in such a way that people (at least me) didn't read to much into it, understanding that trafficking is horrific. Kind of like how people can watch a slasher film with a serial killer for entertainment- yes, murder is horrible, but fictional media is fake. The original auction scene certainly hasn't hurt the ride's popularity.

Now, the original scene is a horrific, distateful, offensive misogynist mess, and anyone who defends it is a pig. The new scene is better in every way since Redd is a "Brassy Buccaneer" who doesn't have a husband since "her only love is profits"- giving you girls a cool pirate to see and relate to in the ride.

And remember- it's 10 for a hen!

Yeah, and just think, if the people are considered pigs for preferring the original scene and strongly disliking the creative changes to the attraction that come with it,
imagine what Disney must be considered since they are still willing to make money off of not only the pandering change, but the merch that is still being sold replicating the old scene. Food for thought that anyone thought it was a proper moral decision. Someone in upper management just got scared and could not see the not even subtle subtext humor of the scene.

It is like the same bullcrap reason the new Guardians mix show at EPCOT has to have a quasi apology for only having male lead songs a quarter of the way through the set.

 

[George Lucas on a Bench]

I'm offended by Carlos and his wife hispanic stereotypes. Might as well have the Taco Bell dog hanging out with Ed Wood.

 

[celluloid]

I'm offended by Carlos and his wife hispanic stereotypes. Might as well have the Taco Bell dog hanging out with Ed Wood.

I hope you are kidding. I feel like you are because I know you are George Lucas sitting on that bench by the haunted mansion. The one that ruined those people vacation that day in the video I can no longer find.
Storytelling and media are places for stereotypes. Something being a stereotype does not make it inherently offensive in malice.

I am not offended in Fronteirland when all the Country Bears sing in/safety spiel at big thunder are depicted as pioneering simpleton twang.