Maybe I'm not seeing it, but is there a dedicated thread I can look at that shows all of the anticipated next gen installs?
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Maybe I'm not seeing it, but is there a dedicated thread I can look at that shows all of the anticipated next gen installs?
I'm not up to speed on acronyms. What is FPP and what is it supposed to do?
HMButler79
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Of course the guests "love" it because THEYVE NEVER BEEN to a Disney park and thier only point of reference for a theme park is SixFlags, Carowinds, or some CedarFair park or even small reginal park. Don't feed us this Holmes BS. We know what the "Red Plaid Mafia" wants us to believe. We know what your being fed by Queen Meg and Princess Wallace. They're "popular" because the guests don't know better, they have NO IDEA what the purpose of the attractions and setup of the queues are supposed to acheieve. DUH. And the parents could not be MORE thrilled that a line has a daycare center in it to keep thier undisciplined, noncooperative brats in a haze of brain dead entertainment. The guests going no have NEVER been to a Disney park and have no idea Disney existed before 1994. Thats why the guests make you think they are the greatest thing ever.
HMButler79
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Apprantly they still do WONDERS at Disneyland, DL Paris, Tokyo DL, Universal and SeaWorld
wdw71fan
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The list of attractions that DON'T have FPP will ultimately be the smaller list.. expect it on most things.
dreamscometrue
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^^ This
Buried20KLeague
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Fastpass Plus. The apparent "official" name of what we were referring to for months as XPass.
As for what it's supposed to do... I'd suggest a thread search. WAYYYYY too much to start talking about in this thread.
I'm way behind on Disney news and have not heard of this. Thanks, I'll go searching for info.
KevinYee
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I'm way behind on Disney news and have not heard of this. Thanks, I'll go searching for info.
Some basics on FastPass Plus here: http://ultimateorlando.blogspot.com/2012/05/fastpass-plus-pictures-explanations.html
So adding FPP to Pirates (and coutless others) would dramatically increase attendance on each of these attractions? Is that what your saying? I thought the people scheduling their Fast Pass time in advance were the same people that would be standing in line for the attraction anyway. The way I see it, you could add FP or FPP to every attraction in the world and it wouldn't increase the number of guests (or standby wait times). Would Expedition Everest or Toy Story Mania have shorter standby times if they didn't have FP?
Maybe Disney did absolutely no research on what affect FPP would have on an attraction's queue lines, but I doubt it.
lazyboy97o
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To a degree, Disney want's the StandBy wait to increase, which is what happens. Especially now that the Return Times are being enforced, there is some hope that a longer StandBy time will make you consider doing something else, lest you lose your FastPass slot. Disney's long hope since the implementation of FastPass has been that people will shop instead of stand in line.
KevinYee
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It's pie-shuffling.
You've heard of re-arranging the deck chairs of the Titanic, right? Same idea, but with pie.
In a zero-sum system, you don't add capacity. You re-arrange capacity. Imagine a park with 100% reservations and a park with 0% reservations, but they have the same number of rides and the same number of hourly riders. In both systems, the net total for the DAY is known, stable, and equivalent to the other park.
In the zero-reservation park, no one benefits from advance reservations. Everyone sits through the same lines.
In the all-reservations park, the people who DIDN'T know to make reservations are at a disadvantage, big time. That goes double if the reservations are only available to a select few (like those staying at the Disney hotels).
Some parks nationwide are a mixture. There are reservations for essentially all rides, but you must pay extra for them.
Other parks (Universal Orlando) let you get the free skip-the-line pass if you stay at their hotels. This is a shrewd move and has helped their bookings immensely. They have fewer hotels than Disney.
We don't know yet what Disney will do. Will it be all guests? Just those at Disney hotels? Can you purchase it?
These questions matter a great deal to answer the question of whether it's a good thing, a neutral thing, or a bad thing.
You've heard of re-arranging the deck chairs of the Titanic, right? Same idea, but with pie.
In a zero-sum system, you don't add capacity. You re-arrange capacity. Imagine a park with 100% reservations and a park with 0% reservations, but they have the same number of rides and the same number of hourly riders. In both systems, the net total for the DAY is known, stable, and equivalent to the other park.
In the zero-reservation park, no one benefits from advance reservations. Everyone sits through the same lines.
In the all-reservations park, the people who DIDN'T know to make reservations are at a disadvantage, big time. That goes double if the reservations are only available to a select few (like those staying at the Disney hotels).
Some parks nationwide are a mixture. There are reservations for essentially all rides, but you must pay extra for them.
Other parks (Universal Orlando) let you get the free skip-the-line pass if you stay at their hotels. This is a shrewd move and has helped their bookings immensely. They have fewer hotels than Disney.
We don't know yet what Disney will do. Will it be all guests? Just those at Disney hotels? Can you purchase it?
These questions matter a great deal to answer the question of whether it's a good thing, a neutral thing, or a bad thing.
Buried20KLeague
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No, that's not what it means. What it means is if you like to ride Pirates twice in a row, now you better be prepared to stand in a standby line at LEAST once (no matter what), and maybe twice, if you didn't choose Pirates from the group of rides you were offered to chose a FPP from during that specific window that you are choosing from. If you're even allowed to choose.
Simple, right? I'm sure it'll be a breeze for all those first-timers.
There are a number of ways that this system will create additional waits for people that didn't exist prior to this... And that isn't an opinion, it's a fact. Logic dictates.
If you didn't choose Pirates from the group of rides you were offered for a specific window and you want to ride, you're going to wait in a longer stand by line. That's not the case now.
If you want to ride twice, there will be no way to dodge waiting in a line at least once.
And the obvious one... If you're just passing by and want to walk in, you're going to have to wait in a longer stand by line than currently.
There are more, but those three make my point.
The total riders on the attraction won't change, but neither will capacity. People using FPP's will each be taking up a spot of a walk-up.
And to answer your question about Toy Story... There is no FP at the Toy Story in DCA, and yes, the line moves a lot faster. Just like there's no FP at Little Mermaid, but there will be at WDW... Which will make the line at WDW's version unbearable.
There will be an easy way to check this once the rollout occurs... Check DL's Mansion wait times. Check their PotC wait times. And every other similar ride that will have FPP here and not there.
ThatPrincessGir
New Member
Toy Story DCA is at the furthest possible point from the entrance in what is regularly an empty park. And The Little Mermaid doesn't need a fast pass in DCA because the park is basically empty. Maybe there will be lines once Carsland opens, but right now you can walk onto that ride at any hour of the day.
lazyboy97o
Well-Known Member
There is a reason FastPass was removed from The Haunted Mansion at both Disneyland and the Magic Kingdom. It just hurts the great flow that the omnimover system provides.
HMButler79
Member
Oh yea. Because NOONE is going and staying to see World of Color or ElecTRONica (when it was going). PUHHHLEASE. DCA will be better and funner than ANY park at WDW. And that's what WDW CMs and apologists and "social media" cannot stand...
:brick:
ThatPrincessGir
New Member
Makes sense to me. Personally, I just want more single rider lines.
The imagery before the seance is creepy or sinister and hints at ghosts.
The imagery after the seance overtly shows ghosts and is silly and amusing.
The queue ruins the progression, and that is the worst of several flaws.
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This is just an honest question, not snark. What part of the queue overtly shows ghosts? Seems to me it's all the same sort of hinting you're talking about, moving books, etc. I don't really have a horse in the race either way. I neither love nor hate the new stuff. Looked at it once then bypassed it every time after.
The imagery after the seance overtly shows ghosts and is silly and amusing.
The queue ruins the progression, and that is the worst of several flaws.
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This is just an honest question, not snark. What part of the queue overtly shows ghosts? Seems to me it's all the same sort of hinting you're talking about, moving books, etc. I don't really have a horse in the race either way. I neither love nor hate the new stuff. Looked at it once then bypassed it every time after.
mikeymouse
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The Soarin' queue is ruined too. Those elements don't even work half the time.