Pirates Queue

[Flip83]

Once again, why don't we wait and see exactly what's going to happen before the -fest begins. Who knows? It might not be that bad.

I hear ya. I am against this change. But, I don't see the "bright buttons to push" as people have said. They will do stuff that works. People will still regardless because they just have to over something everyday.

 

[Flip83]

I'm a die hard old-school disney fan.

I think the interactive queues are great.

Why?

Because they're fun, everyone seems to love them, and they break up the monotony - in a decisively "Disney" way - of standing in a line that, while immersive, can be quite boring - especially on a hot day with the mega-martian-death crowd sizes.

I went to the new HM queue this past holiday break expecting a whizz-bang funhouse of inappropriate nonsense, based on the collective whining from the lot of you people. Instead, I found a tastefully-done, neat little experience very befitting to the tone of the overall piece. I honestly suspect that if these things - with MAYBE the exception of the SM video game, which needs its brightness turned down and the buttons dampened to reduce noise - were 1971 vintage, you all would be drooling into your government cheese over any and all alterations or changes that would ever come to them.

Seriously, you people have got to stop acting like The Man peed into your cheerios every time something in life changes, or you're going to have a very hard and unpleasant experience on this earth. It's the petty, back-and-forth, picayune bullyragging that makes me truly embarrassed to call myself a Disney fan sometimes...to the point in which if I ever actually met an imagineer - who definitely read these boards by the way - I'd be very hesitant to mention the fact that I sometimes post here. "Sometimes" is rapidly turning into "never", except on rare occasions such as this where the stupid rages out of control and I can't help but say something about it.

Sorry to be negative norman...I know the majority of you honestly love the spirit of the place and are just trying to uphold what the magic means to you...but every time one of you goes off on a prematurely-senile rant about how a ride should be held in a time-bubble and preserved (possibly for the sake of space-faring races that will find earth long after we've all killed each other off) and how "profits don't matter", a little part of my brain dies.

You are all killing my brain*. Stop it.

I said STOP IT.


(*With the exception of Lee and others)
(quick edit for irritating spelling mistake)

:sohappy: that is me in a standing applause

 

[Mimi]

This is my feeling. While I dont think that pirates needs an interactive queue, I am not against it either. The fear I have is not of them doing it, but the possibility of it going wrong. Once its done there is no going back. The queue is awesome the way it is but that doesnt mean it cant be better. Disney has been hit or miss with this kind of stuff lately. (IMO) So thats why Im not jumping for joy until I see the end result. Although my feeling may be seen as "doom & gloom", I call it wait and see.

I think Disney is well aware of your concerns and even shares them. Try to have faith and look forward to the changes with some hope and optimism... After all, we can't hold them back anyway. Although some may argue the case, I really don't think they are on a mission to destroy the parks.

 

[jt04]

I'm a die hard old-school disney fan.

I think the interactive queues are great.

Why?

Because they're fun, everyone seems to love them, and they break up the monotony - in a decisively "Disney" way - of standing in a line that, while immersive, can be quite boring - especially on a hot day with the mega-martian-death crowd sizes.

I went to the new HM queue this past holiday break expecting a whizz-bang funhouse of inappropriate nonsense, based on the collective whining from the lot of you people. Instead, I found a tastefully-done, neat little experience very befitting to the tone of the overall piece. I honestly suspect that if these things - with MAYBE the exception of the SM video game, which needs its brightness turned down and the buttons dampened to reduce noise - were 1971 vintage, you all would be drooling into your government cheese over any and all alterations or changes that would ever come to them.

Seriously, you people have got to stop acting like The Man peed into your cheerios every time something in life changes, or you're going to have a very hard and unpleasant experience on this earth. It's the petty, back-and-forth, picayune bullyragging that makes me truly embarrassed to call myself a Disney fan sometimes...to the point in which if I ever actually met an imagineer - who definitely read these boards by the way - I'd be very hesitant to mention the fact that I sometimes post here. "Sometimes" is rapidly turning into "never", except on rare occasions such as this where the stupid rages out of control and I can't help but say something about it.

Sorry to be negative norman...I know the majority of you honestly love the spirit of the place and are just trying to uphold what the magic means to you...but every time one of you goes off on a prematurely-senile rant about how a ride should be held in a time-bubble and preserved (possibly for the sake of space-faring races that will find earth long after we've all killed each other off) and how "profits don't matter", a little part of my brain dies.

You are all killing my brain*. Stop it.

I said STOP IT.


(*With the exception of Lee and others)
(quick edit for irritating spelling mistake)

You do know Lee is pretty much the puppet-master for all that concerns you, right??? And proudly so I might add. :lol:

I think Lee is a swell fellow traveler in the ether-world for all things Disney but his misguided personal world view taints his judgements as it pertains to the mouse especially after the AC closed.

He feels jilted and we (mostly innocent observers) are paying for it here on these boards. I appreciate his insider pearls but the rest of what he conjours out of others........not as much.

Personally I can't wait for the new queue. :wave:

 

[jt04]

I think Disney is well aware of your concerns and even shares them. Try to have faith and look forward to the changes with some hope and optimism... After all, we can't hold them back anyway. Although some may argue the case, I really don't think they are on a mission to destroy the parks.

They are on a mission to get people fired. Plain and simple, that is the goal. Some are on board because they think those jobs would then be theirs.

Trust me on this. :wave:

 

[Lee]

You do know Lee is pretty much the puppet-master for all that concerns you, right??? And proudly so I might add. :lol:

I think Lee is a swell fellow traveler in the ether-world for all things Disney but his misguided personal world view taints his judgements as it pertains to the mouse especially after the AC closed.

He feels jilted and we (mostly innocent observers) are paying for it here on these boards. I appreciate his insider pearls but the rest of what he conjours out of others........not as much.

Personally I can't wait for the new queue. :wave:

A puppet-master? Me?

Cool!

But "misguided personal world view"? Really?
Nah...

 

[jt04]

A puppet-master? Me?

Cool!

But "misguided personal world view"? Really?
Nah...

How about "twisted personal worldview"? Better?

:lol:

 

[erasure fan1]

I think Disney is well aware of your concerns and even shares them. Try to have faith and look forward to the changes with some hope and optimism... After all, we can't hold them back anyway. Although some may argue the case, I really don't think they are on a mission to destroy the parks.

Its not that I dont look forward to changes, in most cases I think I do. I am a HUGE nostalgia guy but in no way do I expect the parks to stay the same. What I do expect, is that what they do add or change is of the standard of quality I know they can do. I have more faith with this update just for the fact that I was happy with the updates they have already done. On the other hand, if you gave me the choice I would leave the queue alone and use some of the "next gen" money to make more of the AAs in the ride the quality of captain Jack.

 

[KevinYee]

I'm a pretty critical guy, but I cut them some slack for the interactive queues.

Soarin is pretty bad, but they tried harder with Space Mtn. What they SHOULD do is not use the interior switchbacks so there is more emphasis on the games.

Pooh gets a lot of bad press, but I have small kids, and they like it.

Mansion got a TON of bad press, but as purist as I am, I can't get that worked up about it. I think they assuaged me by including a bazillion tributes and homages to Imagineers.

So I recognize the need for interactive queues. I agree the Pirates queue is wonderful as it is now. However, the standby line will soon be non-moving (I'm gonna steal that term someone said earlier here... the 'standstill' line). The atmosphere of the existing queue alone will not cut it if you're in one spot for 5 minutes.

As always, the proof is in the pudding, and I for one am reserving any judgment until I see what they actually build (and what gets maintained over time - evil grin).

 

[KevinYee]

BTW, Kevin....great article today. Should be required reading.

Thanks Lee! That's high praise!

 

[Brian_B]

You do know Lee is pretty much the puppet-master for all that concerns you, right??? And proudly so I might add. :lol:

I think Lee is a swell fellow traveler in the ether-world for all things Disney but his misguided personal world blah blah blah blah

Lee knows things and gives me actual news, so he gets a free pass. But the rest of the activity in this "community" is so banal that I tend to skim through looking for information above the level of "bus driver", and skip the rest of the BS. Except, of course, when the usual flow becomes a tidal wave.

Like right now.

 

[wdw71fan]

Pirates will truely be the barometer for 'testing' how the new fastpass system effects waits..


afterall, pirates normally has little-to-no-wait after 5pm..on most days.

 

[jt04]

Lee knows things and gives me actual news, so he gets a free pass. As do you jt04 :wave: But the rest of the activity in this "community" is so banal. :hurl:

I too can edit content. Not pleasent is it. Some might call it "banal". :lol:

 

[jt04]

I'm a pretty critical guy, but I cut them some slack for the interactive queues.

Soarin is pretty bad, but they tried harder with Space Mtn. What they SHOULD do is not use the interior switchbacks so there is more emphasis on the games.

Pooh gets a lot of bad press, but I have small kids, and they like it.

Mansion got a TON of bad press, but as purist as I am, I can't get that worked up about it. I think they assuaged me by including a bazillion tributes and homages to Imagineers.

So I recognize the need for interactive queues. I agree the Pirates queue is wonderful as it is now. However, the standby line will soon be non-moving (I'm gonna steal that term someone said earlier here... the 'standstill' line). The atmosphere of the existing queue alone will not cut it if you're in one spot for 5 minutes.

As always, the proof is in the pudding, and I for one am reserving any judgment until I see what they actually build (and what gets maintained over time - evil grin).

I have always thought the interactive elements in the Soarin' queue were a test of some sort on new technology. Possibly early nextgen stuff. In fact I had a sense nextgen (I had no name for it) was on the way even before it was announced due to this element.

Lasseter was playing up the importance of interactivity in the queues so I think that is more than encouraging.

 

[Buried20KLeague]

And you were both correct. I think Jungle will be next after Pirates. Thunder is getting this treatment now.

So am I correct in thinking that the list of attractions that will get saddled with FPP is much longer than what has been divulged?

 

[Alektronic]

I really hope you can flesh this out at some point. I have a sense this is a much more complicated issue than just management needing to open up the checkbook. Are some union and some not? Are they 'tenured' in a manner of speaking? Do some attractions get maintained better than others? Do different parks have different management structures and maintenance contracts? Are some maintainers insiders and some outside vendors?

I mean I get the feeling we are not seeing behind the curtain and getting the full story here. Just wondering because I have worked with maintainers who are not happy unless things are breaking and I wonder if that mindset exists at all within the theme parks at WDW or DL.

Worth researching I think.

But the biggest problem is with upper management who keep a tight budget and want to reduce costs, not spend and repair things. Middle Management knows what needs to be fixed but would rather just turn it off or sit in disrepair then ask their boss for more money or a bigger budget,

When workers try to order parts, we are often told, we are out of money already, so all purchases have to be approved by management, so parts just don't get ordered. Even after a new fiscal quarter has begun, it is a just another game management plays to avoid doing their job.

As far as maintenance workers go, they are all covered by the same contract by the Craft Maintenance Council(which by the way expires in October) which doesn't matter if you belong to the union or not, you are still covered by the same contract. Seniority is basically used for better shifts and days off and bidding for new jobs.

 

[LoehnWolf]

Amazing how people start complaining even before details become available..Let the whine experts mumble and grumble but until I hear more about it I will remain entirely neutral to whatever is coming. In one regard if you are in a long summer line that just isn't moving fast enough, its nice to have a distraction to pass the time. If there is no line and you have people standing there blocking you from passing because they are tied up in something interactive, its not quite a blessing. So its a dual edged sword. Anything that helps take your mind off standing in a long line to me is more plus than minus

 

[Buried20KLeague]

Amazing how people start complaining even before details become available..Let the whine experts mumble and grumble but until I hear more about it I will remain entirely neutral to whatever is coming. In one regard if you are in a long summer line that just isn't moving fast enough, its nice to have a distraction to pass the time. If there is no line and you have people standing there blocking you from passing because they are tied up in something interactive, its not quite a blessing. So its a dual edged sword. Anything that helps take your mind off standing in a long line to me is more plus than minus

You're forgetting that without FPP, the PotC que moves quickly... Making moving trinkets and baubles in the line unnecessary.

My problem with making the que interactive is that it means FPP is coming for Pirates, which is completely un-needed. It's being added, along with countless other rides that don't need FPP, to artifically inflate the available number of FPP's available to guests in a given day. So now, attractions that often don't currently have a stanby line to speak of are going to constantly have them.

I can't wait to see what all they add to the FPP roster at AK and DHS in order to artificially inflate the numbers at THOSE parks. It's going to be laughable. Until, of course, you realize that you're going to have to deal with it the next time you visit those parks.

 

[HMButler79]

Not to sound too much like a Richard Cranium but you must be blind. HM is a must do every time we set foot in the MK and I consistently see more people taking the long way through cemetery than bypassing it. I have yet to see one person, adults and kids alike, not enjoying themselves while playing the interactive elements. Just because you don't not like something does not automatically make it bad for everyone else.

Because they don't know any better. They've never BEEN.

 

[HMButler79]

""Haunted Mansion's original queue, as designed by the artists who created it, was art.
Even though it was located in a theme park aimed at children and families and situated next to a fiberglass cart that sold light bulb hats and candy, it was art.

And now, because management wants there to be more things for ADD-afflicted to children to rub their fingers on it has become lesser art.""

^^THIS. There was absoulty NO REASON, on this Earth, to destroy the buildup and exterior to a classic work of art attraction that was so pure. I can give TWO FLYING FLIPS AND RATS BEHINDS what the "public" wants. The Mansion was SPECIFIALLY designed a certain way by Davis, Coats, Crump, Gibson, Burns, Atencio, and Walt himself as to be one way only. Any deviation from that is sacrilege and a complete insult and middle finger to the attraction and it's legacy and fans.