News PHOTOS - Prince Charming Regal Carrousel behind scrims for refurbishment

MerlinTheGoat

MerlinTheGoat

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The full-cover scrim has been there since February.
http://blogmickey.com/2018/02/photos-prince-charming-regal-carrousel-exterior-refurbishment/

The problem is not that work is being done, the issue is that it seems to be taking an unnecessarily long time. Upkeep is good, but I don't understand why this is taking so long. This is the same case with the Main Street buildings. Yes I expect some basic upkeep on a facade every few years, but it truly feels like they're dragging the work out for an excessively longer amount of time compared to how long they used to put scrims up for.
 
MerlinTheGoat

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BTW, it's not just me who feels these scrims are staying up much longer than necessary. @tirian stated in another topic that the Main Street work for instance could have been finished a very long time ago, indicating they are intentionally dragging out the work. This is likely a budgeting reason.
https://forums.wdwmagic.com/threads...ment-at-the-magic-kingdom.939328/post-8147353

This isn't complaining that refurbs should not be done. It's bad show whether they let stuff rot. But so is letting scrims remain for an excessively long time because they're too cheap to work in an efficient manner like they used to be capable of.
 
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jakeman

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MerlinTheGoat said:
The full-cover scrim has been there since February.
http://blogmickey.com/2018/02/photos-prince-charming-regal-carrousel-exterior-refurbishment/

The problem is not that work is being done, the issue is that it seems to be taking an unnecessarily long time. Upkeep is good, but I don't understand why this is taking so long. This is the same case with the Main Street buildings. Yes I expect some basic upkeep on a facade every few years, but it truly feels like they're dragging the work out for an excessively longer amount of time compared to how long they used to put scrims up for.
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Perhaps you don't understand why it's taking so long because you aren't privy to the task being performed and therefore, based on that lack of knowledge should refrain from criticizing that which you do not understand?
KBLovesDisney said:
Scrims swarming stores soaring the carousel,
repainting recently repainted ripping paint,
redesigning rides that "needed" said re-imagining

And yet we still have Stitch, a decrepit Innoventions with a slightly off smell, a Disco Yeti with free hair ties...I could go on.
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Oh good.

Just what this thread needed...a sprinkling of whataboutism.
 
Kman101

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jakeman said:
Perhaps you don't understand why it's taking so long because you aren't privy to the task being performed and therefore, based on that lack of knowledge should refrain from criticizing that which you do not understand?

Oh good.

Just what this thread needed...a sprinkling of whataboutism.
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It often seems like the same thing said, just wash rinse and repeat in nearly every thread.
 
MerlinTheGoat

MerlinTheGoat

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Kman101 said:
It often seems like the same thing said, just wash rinse and repeat in nearly every thread.
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It has become common knowledge that lately for NEW projects (attractions, lands, parks etc), the Disney company takes an excessively long time to finish things compared to their former efficiency demonstrated prior to the 2000s. The stated reason has been that they apparently intentionally drag the construction process out in order to spread costs out over as many fiscal quarters as possible. It supposedly makes their numbers look better on the books. Though it also means projects take several times as long to complete as they should (and once did).

Given the lengthy period of time scrims have been remaining up in recent years, I suspect this same policy is being applied to refurbishments of existing attractions as well. Someone like @tirian or @marni1971 can correct me if i'm wrong.

But as I said, tirian already indicated in another thread that the Main Street facades could and should have been finished a long time ago.
 
MerlinTheGoat

MerlinTheGoat

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AJH219 said:
Ah yes, so you have zero evidence to back up your claims? Gotcha. Maybe I need to jump on the bandwagon and start making up things along the way, it seems the internet allows everyone to be experts.
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My suspicions are based on what tirian stated in another thread, not my own personal opinion. If he confirms this suspicion to be false, then I will gladly retract my statement.
 
ppete1975

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I see both sides of the coin. On one hand you can see the scrims as a necessary evil to keep the park fresh and looking good. On the other hand if you saved for 5 years to take your "little princess" and its a once in a lifetime trip (based on prices that keep going up) I think it would suck if your first view is the castle with a crane, or scrims covering things. Or the castle looking like a birthday cake (whoops sorry old wounds)..... I think it would be nice if they could do some things after hours (like the elves building shoes for the shoe maker), but with budgets and things I'm just glad they are keeping things kept up.
PS please don't bring back the castle cake for the 50th.... PLEASE
 
Master Yoda

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MerlinTheGoat said:
It has become common knowledge that lately for NEW projects (attractions, lands, parks etc), the Disney company takes an excessively long time to finish things compared to their former efficiency demonstrated prior to the 2000s. The stated reason has been that they apparently intentionally drag the construction process out in order to spread costs out over as many fiscal quarters as possible. It supposedly makes their numbers look better on the books. Though it also means projects take several times as long to complete as they should (and once did).

Given the lengthy period of time scrims have been remaining up in recent years, I suspect this same policy is being applied to refurbishments of existing attractions as well. Someone like @tirian or @marni1971 can correct me if i'm wrong.

But as I said, tirian already indicated in another thread that the Main Street facades could and should have been finished a long time ago.
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Stretching projects across multiple quarters is really only advantageous for large scale projects that are in the hundreds of millions of dollars. This is not really the case with basic or even major maintenance.

It is sort of like where people will tell you not to have any income tax withheld because you are giving the government an interest free loan. If you take that money and invest it, you can make the interest. While all technically true, in the end the average person might make about $10 extra in a year.

No one really wins when small projects like this take too long.

I would suspect that these projects are taking longer for the same reasons neary every construction project is taking longer than is should in the state of Florida right now...labor and material shortages along with finding more damage once things are taken apart.

Try to get a roof redone in Florida right now. Unless you are willing to pay double and under the table in cash, it will be months before anyone will be there to do the work.
 
MerlinTheGoat

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How long has this labor and material shortage been going on? I had a whole-house rewire, some plumbing work done along with a fairly substantial pool renovation (new skimmer, patching, stripping and resurfacing) in the first quarter of 2016. It didn't seem to be a problem then... Neighbors got a new roof put on last year, it only took a couple of days and they didn't pay any more than normal.

I am again basing this on comments tirian made in the other topic regarding the facades on Main Street. As he said, this has been an ongoing project for about 7 years now, and he states it could have been finished a long time ago. I'd buy the hurricane slowing construction down from late 2017 onward, but it doesn't explain the sluggish pace of projects that predate the hurricane.
https://forums.wdwmagic.com/threads...ment-at-the-magic-kingdom.939328/post-8147353
 
jakeman

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MerlinTheGoat said:
How long has this labor and material shortage been going on? I had a whole-house rewire, some plumbing work done along with a fairly substantial pool renovation (new skimmer, patching, stripping and resurfacing) in the first quarter of 2016. It didn't seem to be a problem then...

I am again basing this on comments tirian made in the other topic regarding the facades on Main Street. As he said, this has been an ongoing project for about 7 years now, and he states it could have been finished a long time ago.
https://forums.wdwmagic.com/threads...ment-at-the-magic-kingdom.939328/post-8147353
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Yeah @Master Yoda what do you know? With your being in Florida. And in the construction business.

Ol' Merlin here has it on good authority based on one post in another thread for a different set of buildings in a different part of the park for what could be a completely different purpose that this scrim has been up to long.

I mean, when you lay it all out like that, it's obvious that someone doesn't know what they are talking about!
 
Master Yoda

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MerlinTheGoat said:
How long has this labor and material shortage been going on? I had a whole-house rewire, some plumbing work done along with a fairly substantial pool renovation (new skimmer, patching, stripping and resurfacing) in the first quarter of 2016. It didn't seem to be a problem then... Neighbors got a new roof put on last year, it only took a couple of days and they didn't pay any more than normal.

I am again basing this on comments tirian made in the other topic regarding the facades on Main Street. As he said, this has been an ongoing project for about 7 years now, and he states it could have been finished a long time ago. I'd buy the hurricane slowing construction down from late 2017 onward, but it doesn't explain the sluggish pace of projects that predate the hurricane.
https://forums.wdwmagic.com/threads...ment-at-the-magic-kingdom.939328/post-8147353
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It has been going on for years, but the last round of hurricanes have really made it a problem. I just got a project this morning to do the engineering on a house damaged by Irma 6 months ago. I'll bet the farm it is not the last one I see.

I had my roof redone last year as well and the work only took two days, however it took more than 6 months from signing the contract to when contractors showed up to do the work and this was with a builder I consider a friend and do work with all the time. He was able to sneak me in due to a cancellation. Had that not happened I might still be waiting for a new roof. When they finally did show up they were a still couple guys short and they rushed the work.

At the same time I signed my re-roofing contract I had new spray foam insulation put in my attic. I wanted to wait until after the roof was done, but my choices were "We can do it next weekend as we had a cancellation or it will be sometime in early 2018".

My MIL ran into a similar issue as the only half strength crew took nearly 2 weeks to do a 2 day job.

My son in law is a production manager for a shingle manufacturer and I can't remember the last week he worked less than 70 hours.

At my office, we currently have a lot packed to the brim will built roof and floor trusses that can't be delivered because foundations are taking forever to get poured and when they are, it is hard to find a framing crew to put them up.

Sure, there is the possibility that a project might have gone over budget and the project was left half done until the next allocation of funds, but my money is on much less sinister motives.
 

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