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News PhotoPass at some character locations being replaced by automated cameras

tissandtully

Well-Known Member
The boxes are installed and active for Kylo Ren and Chewbacca at Launch Bay now, and installed but not active for BB-8 and also Mickey/ Minnie over at Magic Kingdom. Got to sample them with Tink and Kylo and put very simply, they suck. Horribly. But apparently Disney has invested a bit of money and is insistent on cutting photographers so they're going forward. Look for great quality photos like these later on:

Taken before we had actually finished posing- in the process:
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and a nice back to the camera:
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Can't seem to upload the Kylo Ren photos for some reason, but they look like groups of us wandering around. At one point one of us is blocking the camera because we're entering the room. They're photos that a photographer would never take, but a camera box snapping random photos at random times doesn't know any better.
Are these the only photos it took?
 

SirWillow

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Are these the only photos it took?
No, but I'm not uploading 18 photos of Tink- all but 3 of which are a waste, or 13 photos of Kylo Ren, only one of which is a semi-decent photo- and the only "good" ones are the ones where we posed and waited for the camera to takes it's randomly timed photo. A real photographer would have taken 6-10 shots more than likely, and almost all of them would have been decent to good shots, including several good candid shots that weren't posed- something the box has shown that it can't do it all.
 

tissandtully

Well-Known Member
No, but I'm not uploading 18 photos of Tink- all but 3 of which are a waste, or 13 photos of Kylo Ren, only one of which is a semi-decent photo- and the only "good" ones are the ones where we posed and waited for the camera to takes it's randomly timed photo. A real photographer would have taken 6-10 shots more than likely, and almost all of them would have been decent to good shots, including several good candid shots that weren't posed- something the box has shown that it can't do it all.
Right, I'm not a fan of this system either, but I feel like we should be open about what it captures and not selectively edit if we're trying to prove a point. You're saying it did capture a good posed photo? I mean, the quality looks pretty good, tbh.
 

SirWillow

Well-Known Member
Right, I'm not a fan of this system either, but I feel like we should be open about what it captures and not selectively edit if we're trying to prove a point. You're saying it did capture a good posed photo? I mean, the quality looks pretty good, tbh.
This is the one (out of 18) good posed photo:
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There is a second almost the same as it.

And lots of photos like this:
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That last shot I have over a dozen variations of it, none of which has either of us looking at the camera or doesn't have one of us in some sort of odd position, looking a strange place, arms awkwardly posed, or something strange and off about it.

No matter how you might try to say, "well, you got one or two good photos," the truth is I also got 15 that suck and were a waste of time and digital space, and absolutely no decent candids. And when I worked for photopass, it was the candids and non-posed shots that were the big money makers and the photos that everyone wanted. Any idiot (like a box) can take a posed shot on their camera- and most guests do. But if they want to make money, then you have to get the candids, and the boxes have shown they are completely incapable of that.
 

tissandtully

Well-Known Member
This is the one (out of 18) good posed photo:
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There is a second almost the same as it.

And lots of photos like this:
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That last shot I have over a dozen variations of it, none of which has either of us looking at the camera or doesn't have one of us in some sort of odd position, looking a strange place, arms awkwardly posed, or something strange and off about it.

No matter how you might try to say, "well, you got one or two good photos," the truth is I also got 15 that suck and were a waste of time and digital space, and absolutely no decent candids. And when I worked for photopass, it was the candids and non-posed shots that were the big money makers and the photos that everyone wanted. Any idiot (like a box) can take a posed shot on their camera- and most guests do. But if they want to make money, then you have to get the candids, and the boxes have shown they are completely incapable of that.
If they are gonna do this, they really need more than 1 camera around the room. It's definitely not the same, but I can see GR brushing this off since you got a good posed photo.
 

CaptainAmerica

Premium Member
This is the one (out of 18) good posed photo:
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There is a second almost the same as it.

And lots of photos like this:
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That last shot I have over a dozen variations of it, none of which has either of us looking at the camera or doesn't have one of us in some sort of odd position, looking a strange place, arms awkwardly posed, or something strange and off about it.

No matter how you might try to say, "well, you got one or two good photos," the truth is I also got 15 that suck and were a waste of time and digital space, and absolutely no decent candids. And when I worked for photopass, it was the candids and non-posed shots that were the big money makers and the photos that everyone wanted. Any idiot (like a box) can take a posed shot on their camera- and most guests do. But if they want to make money, then you have to get the candids, and the boxes have shown they are completely incapable of that.
Who cares?

Photographer: 2 good photos and 4 lousy photos
Machine: 2 good photos and 13 lousy photos

How is the second one worse than the first? Just delete them.
 

ImperfectPixie

Well-Known Member
Who cares?

Photographer: 2 good photos and 4 lousy photos
Machine: 2 good photos and 13 lousy photos

How is the second one worse than the first? Just delete them.
Machines don't know when there is an emotional moment, or a hug, or a high-five...I could go on and on as to why a machine taking random pictures isn't as good as a living, breathing photographer.

EDIT: The photographer on duty the day my oldest did Jedi Training was PHENOMENAL. I have DOZENS of pictures from that experience and wouldn't give them up for anything. He did close-ups, full area shots during the "battle"...words really can't express how great he was.
 

SirWillow

Well-Known Member
Just a few examples...

That photographer was zipping around on a wheeled chair during the entire thing...his timing was just impeccable.

EDIT: I didn't edit these at all - these are the original downloads!
And that's the difference between a box and a real photographer. Aren't you happy you didn't get just the one photo like @CaptainAmerica would apparently be satisfied with? :cool:
 

CaptainAmerica

Premium Member
Just a few examples...

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That photographer was zipping around on a wheeled chair during the entire thing...his timing was just impeccable.

EDIT: I didn't edit these at all - these are the original downloads!
Jedi Training Academy is not a meet-and-greet with a fairly well-defined "this is where you stand" photo spot. It doesn't apply to this situation. At all. Nobody said "every PhotoPass photographer has been replaced with a machine." SOME of them are being replaced.
 

ImperfectPixie

Well-Known Member
And that's the difference between a box and a real photographer. Aren't you happy you didn't get just the one photo like @CaptainAmerica would apparently be satisfied with? :cool:
RIGHT?!? Between the photographer zipping around like a maniac and me on the sidelines, I don't think there's even 30 seconds of missed photo ops.

I especially love the facial expressions he captured...my son was SO focused and took the training very seriously! :joyfull:
 

CaptainAmerica

Premium Member
RIGHT?!? Between the photographer zipping around like a maniac and me on the sidelines, I don't think there's even 30 seconds of missed photo ops.

I especially love the facial expressions he captured...my son was SO focused and took the training very seriously! :joyfull:
Apples and oranges. Experiences similar to Jedi Training will still have live photographers, and the live photographers in things like the Tinkerbell meet-and-greet were never "zipping around like a maniac" in the first place. So... double irrelevant.
 

ImperfectPixie

Well-Known Member
Jedi Training Academy is not a meet-and-greet with a fairly well-defined "this is where you stand" photo spot. It doesn't apply to this situation. At all. Nobody said "every PhotoPass photographer has been replaced with a machine." SOME of them are being replaced.
We don't usually do very many meet & greets...but here are some of my favorites...

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(They really need to work on the lighting at the Town Square Mickey meet!)

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DisAl

Well-Known Member
Apples and oranges. Experiences similar to Jedi Training will still have live photographers, and the live photographers in things like the Tinkerbell meet-and-greet were never "zipping around like a maniac" in the first place. So... double irrelevant.
CA, I hope you don't take this as a personal attack but you obviously don't know any more about real photography than whatever Pointy Haired Boss (as in Dilbert) made the decision to put this stupid system in. I wish I knew the name of the person who made that decision and his supervisor's name so I could suggest that he be assigned to some role where he couldn't do further damage.

A fixed position automated system will never capture photos like this one made by a real photopass photographer.
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drizgirl

Well-Known Member
This is the one (out of 18) good posed photo:
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There is a second almost the same as it.

And lots of photos like this:
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That last shot I have over a dozen variations of it, none of which has either of us looking at the camera or doesn't have one of us in some sort of odd position, looking a strange place, arms awkwardly posed, or something strange and off about it.

No matter how you might try to say, "well, you got one or two good photos," the truth is I also got 15 that suck and were a waste of time and digital space, and absolutely no decent candids. And when I worked for photopass, it was the candids and non-posed shots that were the big money makers and the photos that everyone wanted. Any idiot (like a box) can take a posed shot on their camera- and most guests do. But if they want to make money, then you have to get the candids, and the boxes have shown they are completely incapable of that.
Even those decent photos lose points from me for being underexposed. In a static photography set like that, there's really no excuse for not at least getting the exposure right.
 

ImperfectPixie

Well-Known Member
Even those decent photos lose points from me for being underexposed. In a static photography set like that, there's really no excuse for not at least getting the exposure right.
I find that about ~40% of the time I end up doing post-production editing once we get home due to poor lighting/exposure. The Town Square Mickey pics, especially. There needs to be more contrast between Mickey himself and what's behind him...that was just a really poor color choice for the curtain.
 

tissandtully

Well-Known Member
Even those decent photos lose points from me for being underexposed. In a static photography set like that, there's really no excuse for not at least getting the exposure right.
The only place I've seen them use permanent strobes are at Epcot Character Spot. Not sure why they don't have them everywhere else. The on-camera fill flash is ruining these pics.
 
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