PH at MK.....

[jt04]

Today's WDW works with a "neither/nor" philosophy.

Not finding a place for such a lucrative franchise likely leads to bewilderment in Glendale. These days if it is about promoting a franchise it probably gets no notice or chance of being funded.

This is one time I think TDO has dropped the ball. Otherwise they are doing a lot of good work.

 

[Ignohippo]

I would suggest you study the first Avatar movie and decide why girls found it fascinating. Much of the story was derived from the magic generated in the imagination by the fantasy of the miniature worlds depicted at times.

What in the world are you talking about? As someone who's had a crush on Tink since I was, like 5, I have no problem understanding the love for her.

Sometimes you have to put your personal feelings aside and look at reality.

The TinkerBell movies have flopped compared to what they were projected to do when they began. At that time, they were supposed to be yearly theatrical flicks until the first one absolutely bombed.

The TinkerBell franchise, sadly, had the exact opposite success story as Planes. TinkerBell has been Lasseter's only misstep since being brought into the Disney fold. The videos sell just enough to justify making another.

They're trying everything they can and throwing all of the marketing at this one hoping they can get a broader audience because of the tie-in with pirates.

If this one doesn't sell, the franchise is dead.

 

[Ignohippo]

Not finding a place for such a lucrative franchise likely leads to bewilderment in Glendale. These days if it is about promoting a franchise it probably gets no notice or chance of being funded.

This is one time I think TDO has dropped the ball. Otherwise they are doing a lot of good work.

Oh Jeezus. That says all we need to know right there.

I. Just. Can't....

 

[Ignohippo]

Why don't they make the old Pan bathrooms into Pixie Hollow? If they aren't going to use them for an expanded queue, that would be a good use of the space, especially with it being right next to PPF. Better than Tink in Town Square.

They more than likely will but it will sadly just be an indoor room like what they've had in the MK time after time again.

They deserve a true Pixie Hollow with beautiful theming and scenery like at DL.

 

[Ignohippo]

Sounds like a land that could be placed in the empty land beyond the current FLE space.

Close Peter Pan's Flight, demolish Pinocchio's restaurant and rebuilt PPF there.....the flight then becomes an attraction where you fly from London to Neverland. There is quite a lot of isolated space there to build a fully immersive Neverland.

You then also have an available attraction space in the existing FL space too.

I'd love to see Neverland, but if I'm taking out the FestHaus, then I'm demolishing the current queue room for IASW and moving it to where FestHaus is in order to make the corridor between Pan and IASW much wider. You'd also be able to create the proper facade for IASW (like DL's) that it deserves that would encompass all of IASW and what used to be the FestHaus.

IMO, The area north of the berm should be a proper Toon Town just like they did in Anaheim (or better).

 

[deix15x8]

I've always thought that Pixie Hollow would work at Animal Kingdom. AK was to realistic before, but with the ne fantasy Avatarland it could work. Maybe have it extended off of the entrance as a small land attachment.

 

[TP2000]

I've always thought that Pixie Hollow would work at Animal Kingdom. AK was to realistic before, but with the ne fantasy Avatarland it could work. Maybe have it extended off of the entrance as a small land attachment.

A good thematic case can be made for a Disneyland-style Pixie Hollow to exist in at least three WDW parks; Magic Kingdom as a Disneyland clone, DHS as a movie based environment that fits any movie character ever released by Disney or Pixar, or Animal Kingdom as a fantasy based flora and fauna environment. You could even make a case that Pixie Hollow could exist at Epcot as an expansion of the UK pavilion, although that's a bit of a stretch.

But it's also quite clear that TDO has no desire to install Pixie Hollow anywhere on property. They have the land, they have a selection of thematic environments to choose from, and they have the money to do it. But multiple generations of TDO executive leadership have consciously chosen not to do that, and they seem very content to let Pixie Hollow remain a Disneyland exclusive.

 

[jdmdisney99]

The TinkerBell franchise, sadly, had the exact opposite success story as Planes.

Really. The Planes success story? It performed fine at the box office, but that's just cause it was a Disney product. Disney could take a piece of dung, slap their name on it, and market it, and everyone would bring their kids to go see it. It was also almost universally panned by critics.
The Tinker Bell series has been well received and performed well in DVD sales, especially the first couple movies.

 

[RandomPrincess]

What in the world are you talking about? As someone who's had a crush on Tink since I was, like 5, I have no problem understanding the love for her.

Sometimes you have to put your personal feelings aside and look at reality.

The TinkerBell movies have flopped compared to what they were projected to do when they began. At that time, they were supposed to be yearly theatrical flicks until the first one absolutely bombed.

The TinkerBell franchise, sadly, had the exact opposite success story as Planes. TinkerBell has been Lasseter's only misstep since being brought into the Disney fold. The videos sell just enough to justify making another.

They're trying everything they can and throwing all of the marketing at this one hoping they can get a broader audience because of the tie-in with pirates.

If this one doesn't sell, the franchise is dead.

None of the Tinkerbell movies have been released in a theater they are a straight to video series.

I think the fact they have made so much money and recognition of Tinkerbell's Fairy friends from just straight to video is a great success.

 

[doctornick]

I don't understand why TDO wouldn't be all over Tinkerbell/Pixie Hollow in an expanded capacity at WDW. It's right in line with their attempts to market to young kids and it would be relatively cheap to build a nicely themed M&G area and pay a few actors. It would be such an easy "addition" for them to advertise for WDW without putting much effort.

 

[LAKid53]

I would love to see a Neverland added to MK, making sure it includes PH. Demolish just about everything in the Peter Pan's Flight corridor (personally, I'd like to see Small World go, but that will never happen) and make that whole area an immersion in Pan and the Lost Boys. As someone suggested, a ride that flies from London to Neverland within that whole experience would be fantastic. But given the acquisition of Lucas Films, the budget nightmare that MM+ has become and the cost of building Avatar Land, Disney might be cash strapped for a while.

IF Universal figured out how to enhance the Potter experience (and I cannot wait), then Disney, with the remaining acreage should be able to develop something that would exceed what Universal would only dream off (unless Comcast is going to pour money all over Uni).

Is it just me that thinks the innovation and imagination that Disney has always embodied and represented has been dying a slow death under the Eisner/Igor regimes? Became too much of a corporate behemoth?

 

[Tim Lohr]

A good thematic case can be made for a Disneyland-style Pixie Hollow to exist in at least three WDW parks; Magic Kingdom as a Disneyland clone, DHS as a movie based environment that fits any movie character ever released by Disney or Pixar, or Animal Kingdom as a fantasy based flora and fauna environment. You could even make a case that Pixie Hollow could exist at Epcot as an expansion of the UK pavilion, although that's a bit of a stretch.

But it's also quite clear that TDO has no desire to install Pixie Hollow anywhere on property. They have the land, they have a selection of thematic environments to choose from, and they have the money to do it. But multiple generations of TDO executive leadership have consciously chosen not to do that, and they seem very content to let Pixie Hollow remain a Disneyland exclusive.

All good points on the first 3 parks, the irony of course is Epcot's Future World is the only place that ever had anything close to Pixie Hollow, and every year since has had Tinker Bell's butterfly house at the Flower and Garden Festival

 

[Killnme]

Man! Personally, I would much rather see PH at MK than another DVC hotel or villas or magic bands. :/ the fairies bring in money!

Totally agree and here is an easy way to do it. Rip down the sign of How I shrunk the kids playground at DHS and throw up a sign that said PH.

 

[Phil12]

excuse my ignorance, but what is PH?

I'm glad you cleared that up. I thought they were testing the acidity/basicity of the fairies.

 

[Ignohippo]

Really. The Planes success story? It performed fine at the box office, but that's just cause it was a Disney product. Disney could take a piece of dung, slap their name on it, and market it, and everyone would bring their kids to go see it. It was also almost universally panned by critics.
The Tinker Bell series has been well received and performed well in DVD sales, especially the first couple movies.

As I stated, you have to look at facts and leave your personal feelings aside. From Wikipedia about Planes:

"Like most of DisneyToon's films, it was initially set to be released as a direct-to-video film,[11] but was instead theatrically released on August 9, 2013 in theDisney Digital 3D and RealD 3D formats[6][12] with a box office gross of $219,788,712 worldwide.[8] A sequel, titled Planes: Fire & Rescue, is scheduled for a theatrical release on July 18, 2014.[13]"

Planes had a budget of $50,000,000, made $219,788,712 in worldwide box office and another $62,000,000 so far in home video sales. That's a PROFIT of over $240,000,000.

That's a huge success my friend. Please see below for my reply about your TinkerBell comments.

I think the fact they have made so much money and recognition of Tinkerbell's Fairy friends from just straight to video is a great success.

The first TinkerBell movie had a budget of $48,000,000 and made only $52,000,000 worldwide. That's a bomb no matter how you look at it. The consecutive 2 films both made about the same amount and, as I said earlier, were just profitable enough to get the next one made (and were more than likely only made because they were John Lasseter's pet project). Pixie Hollow Games was paid for by the Disney Channel and didn't even get an initial home video release. Secret Of The Wings was the only highly profitable flick, making $102,000,000 in worldwide sales. Sadly, that wasn't enough to save the series:

Again from Wikipedia about the TinkerBell series:

"Cancelled films
In addition to the six feature-length Tinker Bell films, Disney also had plans for a seventh and an eighth film. Both films were cancelled in October 2013, during the production on the seventh film, reportedly due to declining DVD sales and disappointing merchandise sales."

As for the TinkerBell series being "well received", the first movie had a good Rotten Tomatoes rating of around 87%. The subsequent movies have all declined to around 50-60%.

These are the fact folks.


Please don't misunderstand me. I'm an enormous Tink fan and I sincerely believe Pixie Hollow is a core Disney product and deserves a beautiful and amazing spot in WDW.
These facts are only to show part of the reasoning as to why Pixie Hollow got the axe as part of the FLE.
IMO, it was always silly to make JUST Pixie Hollow without creating Neverland as well. There's absolutely no reason to not take advantage of the entire franchise, rather than just creating an attraction for one part of it. The fact that Peter Pan's Flight is one of the most popular attractions in WDW should tell them something.

 

[Ignohippo]

IF Universal figured out how to enhance the Potter experience (and I cannot wait), then Disney, with the remaining acreage should be able to develop something that would exceed what Universal would only dream off (unless Comcast is going to pour money all over Uni).

Is it just me that thinks the innovation and imagination that Disney has always embodied and represented has been dying a slow death under the Eisner/Igor regimes? Became too much of a corporate behemoth?

Holy cow. The money TDO is sitting on by not developing theme park attractions for popular franchises is astonishing.

Neverland (& Pixie Hollow), STAR WARS, Indy, Frozen, Tangled, The Lion King, Tron, Monsters Inc., The Incredibles, Jungle Book, Cars, Planes, The Muppets and Alice In Wonderland are only a few of the long list of franchises that could drive attendance to the park through the roof if TDO would just give them the nurturing and attractions they so badly deserve. I mean seriously. You have a movie like "The Jungle Book" in your library and a theme park based on animals and remote locales throughout the world and it has literally ZERO presence in the park? It makes no sense.

Do you think Universal would sit on franchises like these without doing anything with them?

Instead, TDO gives us things like Captain EO.

 

[Cesar R M]

Holy cow. The money TDO is sitting on by not developing theme park attractions for popular franchises is astonishing.

Neverland (& Pixie Hollow), STAR WARS, Indy, Frozen, Tangled, The Lion King, Tron, Monsters Inc., The Incredibles, Jungle Book, Cars, Planes, The Muppets and Alice In Wonderland are only a few of the long list of franchises that could drive attendance to the park through the roof if TDO would just give them the nurturing and attractions they so badly deserve. I mean seriously. You have a movie like "The Jungle Book" in your library and a theme park based on animals and remote locales throughout the world and it has literally ZERO presence in the park? It makes no sense.

Do you think Universal would sit on franchises like these without doing anything with them?

Instead, TDO gives us things like Captain EO.

I love captain EO

 

[jdmdisney99]

As I stated, you have to look at facts and leave your personal feelings aside. From Wikipedia about Planes:

"Like most of DisneyToon's films, it was initially set to be released as a direct-to-video film,[11] but was instead theatrically released on August 9, 2013 in theDisney Digital 3D and RealD 3D formats[6][12] with a box office gross of $219,788,712 worldwide.[8] A sequel, titled Planes: Fire & Rescue, is scheduled for a theatrical release on July 18, 2014.[13]"

Planes had a budget of $50,000,000, made $219,788,712 in worldwide box office and another $62,000,000 so far in home video sales. That's a PROFIT of over $240,000,000.

That's a huge success my friend. Please see below for my reply about your TinkerBell comments.





The first TinkerBell movie had a budget of $48,000,000 and made only $52,000,000 worldwide. That's a bomb no matter how you look at it. The consecutive 2 films both made about the same amount and, as I said earlier, were just profitable enough to get the next one made (and were more than likely only made because they were John Lasseter's pet project). Pixie Hollow Games was paid for by the Disney Channel and didn't even get an initial home video release. Secret Of The Wings was the only highly profitable flick, making $102,000,000 in worldwide sales. Sadly, that wasn't enough to save the series:

Again from Wikipedia about the TinkerBell series:

"Cancelled films
In addition to the six feature-length Tinker Bell films, Disney also had plans for a seventh and an eighth film. Both films were cancelled in October 2013, during the production on the seventh film, reportedly due to declining DVD sales and disappointing merchandise sales."

As for the TinkerBell series being "well received", the first movie had a good Rotten Tomatoes rating of around 87%. The subsequent movies have all declined to around 50-60%.

These are the fact folks.


Please don't misunderstand me. I'm an enormous Tink fan and I sincerely believe Pixie Hollow is a core Disney product and deserves a beautiful and amazing spot in WDW.
These facts are only to show part of the reasoning as to why Pixie Hollow got the axe as part of the FLE.
IMO, it was always silly to make JUST Pixie Hollow without creating Neverland as well. There's absolutely no reason to not take advantage of the entire franchise, rather than just creating an attraction for one part of it. The fact that Peter Pan's Flight is one of the most popular attractions in WDW should tell them something.

I'm just saying. If Disney put Tinker Bell in theaters and marketed it to death, it would have made just as much or [most likely] more money than Planes. Plus, compare those critical reviews (ranging from 70% to 90%) to a 26 % rotten rating for Planes.

 

[Ignohippo]

I'm just saying. If Disney put Tinker Bell in theaters and marketed it to death, it would have made just as much or [most likely] more money than Planes. Plus, compare those critical reviews (ranging from 70% to 90%) to a 26 % rotten rating for Planes.

Hey, I'm not sticking up for Planes - I think it's garbage. Just stating the facts as to why the decision was made to nix Pixie Hollow.

But no, I don't believe the first Tink movie would have come anywhere close to the coin that Planes made if it had been released in theaters. Planes, no matter how bad, was a spinoff of the juggernaut of Cars - that's why it was successful. It'll beinteresting to see how the new one does in theaters or if most people will just wait for it to come out on home video.

TinkerBell is a core but niche character and the movies somewhat reinvented her. It was unknown territory. If they thought it could have made money in theaters, they would have released it that way. They didn't for good reason.

 

[jdmdisney99]

Hey, I'm not sticking up for Planes - I think it's garbage. Just stating the facts as to why the decision was made to nix Pixie Hollow.

But no, I don't believe the first Tink movie would have come anywhere close to the coin that Planes made if it had been released in theaters. Planes, no matter how bad, was a spinoff of the juggernaut of Cars - that's why it was successful. It'll beinteresting to see how the new one does in theaters or if most people will just wait for it to come out on home video.

TinkerBell is a core but niche character and the movies somewhat reinvented her. It was unknown territory. If they thought it could have made money in theaters, they would have released it that way. They didn't for good reason.

I think we can simply agree to disagree on this one.