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Pfizer Vaccine News
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So given that so much of this testing is being paid for by the taxpayer (so its 'free' lol), am I now to pay for tests for everyone that want to go to Disney? A concert, game, theater, dinner, everyplace? So to bring it to Disney: I have to start planning 6 months out to: stay, eat, enter, ride and to insure all of that I have to carefully plan a testing day and hold myself in quarantine for how long, all to go to Disney??? Was fun while it lasted.
Fauci extraordinarily suddenly post election optimistic fellow isn't he.
We should keep in mind that Ticketmaster is only looking into this as a way to get back into business, not out of benevolence. This idea is complex, will cost money, and if it comes to fruition will be dropped like a hot rock asap.
It was a scheduled sell, planned in August I believe. And has been extensively explained, is part of common practice of many highly compensated officers. So, perhaps he made a good guess based on what he knew several months ago, but that doesn't mean the product is no good. Had the stock not gone up, the sell would have happened when the stock hit that price as in the schedule. This sell was going to happen some day.
Not at all. He was saying the same things before the election. To try to make this pandemic political is just plain dumb.
No, not at all.
The pandemic might not be political, the response to the response most certainly is. To ignore that is just plain dumb.
What do you think the trials were about. You don't have to take the vaccine if you don't want to but plenty of people will trust the trials. Exactly what would make you believe the effectiveness of the vaccine?
Trump is saying health care workers and the elderly. Biden is saying give it to third world countries before America.
Oh, I ageee that the response has been political. From both the left and the right, equally. To not acknowledge that is dumb.
No one will make you get it at all.
GoofGoof
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I rest my case. The echo chamber has taken a quote and altered it into a political attack. Despite the fact that there is zero truth to it people will still parrot it. Even when they read the actual quote it doesn’t matter because the talking heads have spoken.
GoofGoof
Premium Member
To be more clear the response to a lack of a clear response was politicized for sure. When you are POTUS and you drop the ball on the biggest crisis facing the country in a decade in an election year it’s kinda hard to expect the other side to not call you out on that IMHO.
Yeah I know. I'm as guilty of it as the next person. Its how usenet groups, forums, whatever have worked, forever. We zing and gotcha and query post histories "well, 3 years ago you said you LIKED Iron Man, so why would you not want it in DCA??"
Pretty much how it works all around.
We've all become headline/caption crawl readers.
On this board a popular sport is to take completely clear and full of context comments and spin them into something else with the classic phrase "So you're saying..".
It's all kind of silly.
GoofGoof
Premium Member
I actually would be fine with paying for more testing. Overall, if we had more testing and tracing and that helped open more of the economy, the medium to long term cost would be less than doing nothing and having more of a bail out later.
On the Disney front, if I had to show proof of a vaccine or a negative test but it meant a return to something resembling the good old days (no ride capacity limits, restaurants fully open, characters back, parades and fireworks back, no masks or distancing required, etc) it would be worth while to me. I think that is the only reason Disney would consider doing this on a temporary basis. If you look at the lines and crowds in the parks now it’s obvious that Disney cannot add much more park capacity with all the Covid restrictions in place (particularly distancing on rides and in queues). They are only at 35% capacity now. If they thought that requiring a vaccine or negative test could allow them to lift the Covid restrictions it may be worth doing to get the capacity levels up. You will lose some guests who will refuse to comply, but they would have to run the numbers and see if it’s worth it.
GoofGoof
Premium Member
I’m not above doing that sometimes as well. In this case the vaccine is way too important for both public health and the economy. We have to avoid making it too political. I don’t really care who gets credit or blame for any of it at this point as long as people on both sides and the rest of us in the middle are on board with getting the vaccine. We need to have at least 2/3 of the population buy in to get out of this.
aliceismad
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Um, I personally have not seen any travel- or event-related testing that is taxpayer funded. I believe the testing American Airlines is involved with is something like $160 per person.
My husband had to travel to Hawaii before they were allowing tourists. They had to go through a rigorous approvals process for exemption because it was deemed essential work. He had to get tested in Hawaii, which was paid for by his employer. (Also, just because I think it's interesting, despite testing negative he still had to quarantine for 14 days. He literally was either at his place of work or inside his hotel room alone for those two weeks. They had to get an exemption to stop for gas and have food delivered. Security was notified when he opened his hotel room door.) My boss and several coworkers have also traveled and have gotten covid tests at their own expense.
Yes, there are tax-funded covid testing sites, but those are generally run through the health department. In my county, you have to get into the health department's system (which means you have to have probable cause for being tested) before you can get a test "for free," but I'm sure other states are doing different things.
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Trackmaster
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I mean, that sounds pretty sensational and odd on Biden's part. However, I could see doing something like that as a way to try to improve our standing with the world.
Giving it to the elderly ahead of retail workers is equally as stupid, as the elderly have already been quarantining, and giving them scarce vaccine won't do anything to stop the spread. When the vaccine is scarce, the priority should be to stop the spread and create held immunity to protect us (real herd immunity, not the idiotic murderous Swedish herd immunity).
GoofGoof
Premium Member
It’s not true at all. This was the exact quote on the plan for worldwide distribution:
Nobody said the rest of the world gets the vaccine before the US. Just political banter, no truth to it. The statement made was that once the US reached enough people vaccinated to reach herd immunity that the vaccine should be shared with the rest of the world instead of kept here. It will be a tough sell to even get that many people to take the vaccine. I posted details earlier, but we would likely need to get 220M people or 2/3 of the population vaccinated to reach herd immunity
Politics has no place in discussion of the vaccine. I could care less who anyone wants to give credit to for the vaccine as long as it works and people take it. Pfizer developed the vaccine at risk and will only get paid by the US government once they deliver the vaccine. They are distributing the vaccine on their own without using McKesson who was contracted by Warp Speed to coordinate that. Other companies took upfront money for development and also are planning to use McKesson for distribution. So while Pfizer is still selling the doses to the US government under the Warp Speed program they are not using Warp Speed resources in any other way. Whether people want to say that means they are part of Warp Speed or not is irrelevant to me, just political BS.
The Pfizer clinical trial was run based on well established standards. There is nothing political about the process. People need to trust the science and do their own research once results are published instead of listening to nonsense they see on Facebook.
edit: the actual quote on the fair priority model:
This is vastly different than giving it to the rest of the world before the US gets it. Here‘s the full article:
How to Decide Who Should Get a COVID-19 Vaccine First
Medical ethicist Ezekiel Emanuel discusses a framework for equitably allocating COVID-19 vaccines based on preventing premature deaths and mitigating long-term economic impactswww.scientificamerican.com
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GoofGoof
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The priority I have seen is healthcare workers, first responders and others in high risk essential jobs in the first wave. Then people in nursing homes or very vulnerable (80+). After that it goes to the general public with some level of priority: high risk people with multiple pre-existing conditions, people 70+ then 60+ then the rest. We also don’t know when the trials on children will be complete. They won’t roll the vaccine out to kids under 18 until it’s been tested. I think Pfizer and Moderna are both starting to include kids but still not under 12. They won’t be in the first wave of vaccinations. They need to expand to that and also consider pregnant women and other people with medical conditions.