Pfizer Vaccine News

[correcaminos]

Go Science!

You're quite creepy to go searching months and months old threads to simply try to say I'm a stupid person just to prove a wrong point. This is exactly why I share so vague things on internet forums.... Anyway.... It was factual science, based on SARS and MERS. They are studying it now for COVID. Plus people gathering in close contact with no masks because the gov. decided they didn't need to won't help anything no matter what. Florida was acting stupid all along. Let's be real. Slowing of spread no matter what the studies find (these were the first three that popped up in my search) doesn't mean it's impossible. Doesn't mean it won't happen. Doesn't mean it goes away. Doesn't mean bye bye sickies. It means in same conditions with different temps and humidity it is less likely. That means a few less, not gone.

Coronavirus Is Airborne But Indoor Humidity Slows Spread: Study

Mounting evidence that coronavirus is airborne has led to scientists urging prescribed humidity levels in public indoor settings.

heavy.com

Reduced humidity linked to increased COVID-19 risk

A study conducted in Sydney during the early epidemic stage of COVID-19 has found an association between lower humidity and an increase in locally acquired positive cases. Researchers discovered a 1 percent decrease in humidity could increase the number of COVID-19 cases by 6 percent.

medicalxpress.com

How humidity may affect COVID-19 outcome

A new review of existing studies considers how outdoor and indoor humidity levels can affect the transmission of the new coronavirus.

www.medicalnewstoday.com

But yes, go science. Deny all you like. I listen to science of the time. Proven science is not something you should flippantly ignore. Have a nice day.

It felt like I landed up with a head cold that lasted overnight and then the next day landed up with a fever that spiked up to 99.8 and was gone within 2 hours. Wasn't too bad. I'll see what happens after the 2nd injection.

I hope yours isn't too bad for the second shot. My reactions were less than that with mine. Sore arm for 2 days both time. Second shot I had more of a headache. Felt a little more feverish (barely registered) for a couple hours. No feeling of fatigue or cold like symptoms though. Very much more like a tetanus shot for me both times. Way more soreness than a flu shot (finally got that 2 weeks after my last), but nothing anyone couldn't live with. I was reading for the one I am in the older you are the less likely side effects take place. They are doing adolescents now and we'll see what they come up with. My child did not agree to do it though just in the right age and after the time it has taken out of my schedule, I don't blame them.

 

[GoofGoof]

The company who developed this vaccine for/with Pfizer got 100 million Euros from the EU's Investment Bank on June 11th, signed an advance purchase contract with the EU and received 375 million Euros from the German Government in September.

The EU is part of Warp Speed? Pfizer has not received a dime yet, as I said. They only get paid under the Warp Speed program when they deliver the vaccine.

 

[GoofGoof]

For a so-called Disney fan forum - - this place is the worst on ANY forum I have been on. It can bring out the worst in people.

I feel that a statistical analysis of 40,000 people is nowhere near the same as giving this vaccine to billions of people. Yes of course you can not do a trial with billions. This makes me hesitant - I will wait and see what happens. For this I get called someone who is a science-non-believer?

Anyone remember thalidomide? They are not the same - however the idea is the same. I feel that not enough time has passed to give a true picture of the vaccine and any drawback. Especially in children and pregnant women. It is being rushed for the sake of ...... oh profit!!! Not for the betterment of society.

My community took this virus seriously and we all did out part - the virus is in our community with a population of 1 million in the single digits. I feel safe enough that my family and I can wait.

I remember the covid thread when it started - - - - full of jokers and hoaxers.
America made their bed on the global scale, I will sit back and watch how your virus plays out with this vaccine.
Call me whatever your childish mind can think of.

As a side note - - - vaccines take years to perfect not months. No matter how much money is thrown at them. They require the time to observe any changes in the participants - - - - - time. Money can not speed this up.

If we all wait to see what happens nobody gets the vaccine and we never know if it works. I want this to be over, I want the economy to start recovering, I want people to stop dying. I’m willing to take a risk on a potential adverse reaction on a vaccine assuming the safety numbers come in as expected. The potential long term effects of Covid (including death) are far greater than any risk a vaccine poses. It’s certainly everyone’s choice what to do.

We don’t need everyone to get the vaccine for it to work and to achieve herd immunity, but we need a lot of people to get it. IMHO if you don’t have a specific medical condition that makes the vaccine more risky than you are being selfish to allow others to take the risk (even if it’s a small one) and then still getting the benefit. Again, if everyone does that then we never reach herd immunity and we would also never have a single vaccine for anything. For this reason I would be fine with businesses like TicketMaster and Disney requiring proof of a vaccination to get into a concert or a theme park once it’s available to anyone who wants it. Those willing to ”take the risk” get the benefits. Those who want to wait certainly can, but should remain restricted in activity so the virus doesn’t continue to spread. You either reduce the chances of spreading the virus with a vaccine or with a reduction in your activity.

 

[NickMaio]

You're quite creepy to go searching months and months old threads to simply try to say I'm a stupid person just to prove a wrong point. This is exactly why I share so vague things on internet forums.... Anyway.... It was factual science, based on SARS and MERS. They are studying it now for COVID. Plus people gathering in close contact with no masks because the gov. decided they didn't need to won't help anything no matter what. Florida was acting stupid all along. Let's be real. Slowing of spread no matter what the studies find (these were the first three that popped up in my search) doesn't mean it's impossible. Doesn't mean it won't happen. Doesn't mean it goes away. Doesn't mean bye bye sickies. It means in same conditions with different temps and humidity it is less likely. That means a few less, not gone.

Coronavirus Is Airborne But Indoor Humidity Slows Spread: Study

Mounting evidence that coronavirus is airborne has led to scientists urging prescribed humidity levels in public indoor settings.

heavy.com

Reduced humidity linked to increased COVID-19 risk

A study conducted in Sydney during the early epidemic stage of COVID-19 has found an association between lower humidity and an increase in locally acquired positive cases. Researchers discovered a 1 percent decrease in humidity could increase the number of COVID-19 cases by 6 percent.

medicalxpress.com

How humidity may affect COVID-19 outcome

A new review of existing studies considers how outdoor and indoor humidity levels can affect the transmission of the new coronavirus.

www.medicalnewstoday.com

But yes, go science. Deny all you like. I listen to science of the time. Proven science is not something you should flippantly ignore. Have a nice day.

I hope yours isn't too bad for the second shot. My reactions were less than that with mine. Sore arm for 2 days both time. Second shot I had more of a headache. Felt a little more feverish (barely registered) for a couple hours. No feeling of fatigue or cold like symptoms though. Very much more like a tetanus shot for me both times. Way more soreness than a flu shot (finally got that 2 weeks after my last), but nothing anyone couldn't live with. I was reading for the one I am in the older you are the less likely side effects take place. They are doing adolescents now and we'll see what they come up with. My child did not agree to do it though just in the right age and after the time it has taken out of my schedule, I don't blame them.

Awe you really hurt my feelings........and from a person in the science community.

 

[rangerbob]

I hope yours isn't too bad for the second shot. My reactions were less than that with mine. Sore arm for 2 days both time. Second shot I had more of a headache. Felt a little more feverish (barely registered) for a couple hours. No feeling of fatigue or cold like symptoms though. Very much more like a tetanus shot for me both times. Way more soreness than a flu shot (finally got that 2 weeks after my last), but nothing anyone couldn't live with. I was reading for the one I am in the older you are the less likely side effects take place. They are doing adolescents now and we'll see what they come up with. My child did not agree to do it though just in the right age and after the time it has taken out of my schedule, I don't blame them.

That is what I'm hoping too that it isn't as bad. I'm hoping that my reactions were reversed and worse with the first injection. I'll find out on Dec 4 when I go back in. Should be getting the follow-up phone call tomorrow to get questioned on how I have been feeling.

 

[the.dreamfinder]

 

[correcaminos]

That is what I'm hoping too that it isn't as bad. I'm hoping that my reactions were reversed and worse with the first injection. I'll find out on Dec 4 when I go back in. Should be getting the follow-up phone call tomorrow to get questioned on how I have been feeling.

That's another question for you: are you just doing phone calls for recording symptoms or doing a journal at all? I have a weekly journal I am doing now to help them trace the effectiveness of a vaccine. After my second shot they just said to call if my symptoms were beyond xyz because they had recorded enough (again I was a later group for this one due to a weird computer scheduling glitch). I will say for ours, we were told second injection was more side effects than the first. I expected the opposite. Fortunately, symptoms were only slightly more than the first time. I mean quite slightly too. Though they had prepared us to expect more. Second injection initially hurt more than the first too for whatever reason.

 

[FettFan]

Hint: what product is Pfizer best known for?

 

[TTA94]

Million dollar question I guess but assuming this vaccine works out, and it’s largely available, at what point does WDW start going back to normal as a result? In particular allowing large gatherings again for shows, etc? Sure many have said when they feel it’s safe... but the reality is many will not get this vaccine. So will it more be a situation where Disney just needs to know there is a cure out there so if anyone catches Covid from the parks they can prevent a PR issue and come back and say “Well it’s your fault you choose not to get the vaccine”. I mean really it will be the same situation as with the Flu.

 

[Heppenheimer]

Million dollar question I guess but assuming this vaccine works out, and it’s largely available, at what point does WDW start going back to normal as a result? In particular allowing large gatherings again for shows, etc? Sure many have said when they feel it’s safe... but the reality is many will not get this vaccine. So will it more be a situation where Disney just needs to know there is a cure out there so if anyone catches Covid from the parks they can prevent a PR issue and come back and say “Well it’s your fault you choose not to get the vaccine”. I mean really it will be the same situation as with the Flu.

They could go the route of Ticketmaster and require guests to either show proof of vaccination or proof of a recent negative test.

 

[LastoneOn]

Curious what side effects you had. We are very sure I got the BioNTech one as well. Minimal side effects. Worst for me was sore arm for 2 days. The flu shot I had 2 weeks after my last shot was much less painful. I say the covid was about like a tetanus shot personally

Leaving this there for you.... https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...ine-s-funding-came-from-berlin-not-washington

Was the Pfizer vaccine part of the government’s Operation Warp Speed? (Published 2020)

www.nytimes.com

Germany funded the development of Pfizer's COVID vaccine—not U.S.'s Operation Warp Speed

The Trump administration nevertheless is taking credit for the breakthrough.

fortune.com

Hey I'm glad you left that. AS I SAID: THEY DID NOT TAKE WASHINGTON MONEY. So you confirm that.
Cool.
Now that articles from suspect sources who frequently mislead, say the funding came from Berlin. A twits thing I saw had them saying it was funded in house.

 

[LastoneOn]

Just political banter, no truth to it.

Oh good. So if something is just "political banter" it never happens.

 

[LastoneOn]

Well not really... They took a ruck of money from the European Union and from the German government. That's why the EU's initial purchase is 200 million doses (enough for 100 million people), whilst the US gets 100 million doses initially (enough for 50 million people). EU has options on another 100 million doses, while the US has options on up to 500 million doses later.

Well really. They confirmed it.

You see, Warp Speed wasn't all about money.

 

[GoofGoof]

Oh good. So if something is just "political banter" it never happens.

The direct quote was posted. What you said was not accurate.

 

[jloucks]

40 000 is nothing like 400 million.
Or 1 billion.

Its scary new ground.

I am pretty sure most drug testing is done on a much smaller control than 400 million.

 

[Heppenheimer]

I am pretty sure most drug testing is done on a much smaller control than 400 million.

Most are done with far fewer than 40,000.

 

[aliceismad]

For a so-called Disney fan forum - - this place is the worst on ANY forum I have been on. It can bring out the worst in people.

Right? I think I should go back to reading trip reports.

Thank you to the people on this thread who have said they are participating in vaccine trials. You are doing a great service for us all.

 

[aliceismad]

They could go the route of Ticketmaster and require guests to either show proof of vaccination or proof of a recent negative test.

There are some countries, and Hawaii, that are already requiring proof of a negative test. There are airlines/airports that have set up testing areas. It almost certainly will be done before cruises, if what I've read is correct. I think Disney and other companies could take a similar route if they chose, but only if it made business sense for them to do so. If WDW is flooded with guests who don't care whether other guests have had negative tests, do they bother?

 

[GoofGoof]

There are some countries, and Hawaii, that are already requiring proof of a negative test. There are airlines/airports that have set up testing areas. It almost certainly will be done before cruises, if what I've read is correct. I think Disney and other companies could take a similar route if they chose, but only if it made business sense for them to do so. If WDW is flooded with guests who don't care whether other guests have had negative tests, do they bother?

That’s a good point. I think it also comes down to CMs too. If Disney wants to remove the mask requirement and remove the other Covid restrictions they have to come up with a way to make it safe for CMs as well as guests. Even if they require all CMs to be vaccinated and a vaccine is as high as 90% effective that still means 10% of workers are not protected. I think the odds of infection dramatically decrease if all the guests were either vaccinated and/or tested negative. It’s also possible that they keep the Covid restrictions around longer but as we are seeing now they can’t add overall park capacity without removing distancing requirements.

 

[robhedin]

They could go the route of Ticketmaster and require guests to either show proof of vaccination or proof of a recent negative test.

Ticketmaster isn't requiring any kind of proof. They're working on an option -- through their app -- that they could use to allow venues to make that a requirement of buying specific tickets. And it's reliant on FDA approval for third party companies to deliver vaccination results, which has not been granted. I wouldn't be surprised if they do build it, and make the option available, but its going to be up to specific venues if they want to enable it.