You are not just arguing cautious optimism about this preliminary data. You are calling into question the entire approval process, repeatedly claiming without evidence that vaccines can and do cause side effects months to years after administration.
The difference has been explained. What vaccine is addictive and taken on a recurring basis?
Seriously?
Yes, seriously. You keep claiming side effects months to years after administration is something that happens so you should be able to provide some examples.
I think the point of the post was that companies did not need Trump money to generate speedy vaccine development because other nations/multinational groups put money into initiatives, sometimes many months before the bizarrely-named "warp speed", "Star Trek", effort began. The EU had an advanced purchase initiative with multiple possible vaccine producers in June. The US was quite late to the table in comparison.
No, you keep saying that. I've refuted it multiple times.
I am going to take it when available. I do have hope that it is going to produce 90% or better effectiveness. I do trust the announced positive results of the trials. But I am also cognizant in the reality that in the past there have been vaccines that have had problems when rolled out en mass to the public. Just because something has gone through trials does not ensure that it has no issues that were not discovered during trials. I dont care how many of the 20000 test cases ( thats 40000 minus the placebos) were fine. Theres no infallibility to anything. My initial post stands. We will not know how it will be affecting large portions of people until its tried. You, the detractors on here, nobody can ensure what results will be.
They have to collect more data. The 2 months is for Emergency Use Authorization only. They still need more safety and efficacy data before they get full FDA approval. They have committed to watching trial participants for up to 2 years. This is all pretty standard. It doesn‘t mean they expect to find anything wrong or that it’s likely. In reality it’s far more likely that the vaccine gets recalled if it shows the efficacy wasn’t as good as we thought. After a year or 2 They can look back and actually see how many people got Covid anyway. It’s entirely possible that one or all of this first wave of vaccines gets their approval pulled if a more effective vaccine or one with less side effects replaces it. The side effects could be mild to moderate. For example if these vaccines cause fever and flu like symptoms in 50% of the participants that’s not a reason to not authorize them during a pandemic, but if another of the 40+ vaccines in development comes out this time next year and is just as effective but has a way lower level of side effects they may very well recommend a switch to it.
I don’t care who gets credit. Trump money, Obama Care it’s all a little too ego driven for me. The fact of the matter is the scientists working around the world did this at great personal sacrifice too. These people have been working 7 days a week around the clock to get where we are and there’s still a lot more to go. I think if anyone deserves the credit it’s them, but I understand politics is politics and politicians are going to do what they do. I’m glad that most of the nations of the world joined together and dedicated lots of resources on this. I think when we look back on this pandemic and the race for a vaccine it will likely go down as one of the greatest scientific achievements in history.
Just an FYI for this trial they were taking and expanded to those who are immune compromised in some ways.
THIS. Scientists often get disregarded and ignored until they are needed. Its a shame. YOU GO RESEARCHERS! they’re the real MVPs, not politicians
Yes, they have to collect more data. The vaccine has not yet been approved. That's largely what I said, but thank you for posting the longer explanation.
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I think the biggest advantage to a few of the vaccines that aren’t as far along is that they are single dose and don’t require the same level of cold storage. The JnJ vaccine which is probably only a month behind the front runners is one of them. There are many parts of the world where the power grid isn’t even stable so not easy to distribute a vaccine that requires deep freezing. The more the better.
Good summary. I think the conclusion is important to highlight:Okay, one last link. This one explains much of what I was trying to say in a way that is easy to understand (and not from me!) I especially like how they explain what the 90% effectiveness rate means.
COVID-19 milestone: A closer look at the Pfizer vaccine news
Two experts from Johns Hopkins assess reports that a Pfizer COVID-19 vaccine has 90% efficacy in clinical trials
Pfizer, who is making one of the vaccines, took no money from the American government I suspect in order for their vaccine not to be "political." The more people who get the vaccine, the sooner we can get back to normal because what we are doing now is not working.
Good job with what?
Not meaning to be snotty, but why? This is a discussion forum and it can't just always be things that you agree with. Or what I agree with actually. What is being said in most cases is really sincere and it is the other side. It may be the side that you agree with or the one that you don't, but thinking you did wrong by starting the thread is just silly.
